Lord Jamar vs. Yelawolf

[Sebastion Shaw]

Only way HipHop would remain strictly black music is if you could be persecuted for doing it and had to sneak around doing it for fear of being lynched or hosed down like black folks used to go thru just for being black. That's the only time that white folks would say "nah that's black stuff and we ain't doing it" lmao!

Racism exists in subtle ways. I remember seeing kids whose mom had bought them Eminems Marshall Mathers LP but wouldn't buy them "HipHop" only Eminem. Not knowing that what dude was spewing on those records was more heinous than most black artists at the time, but it was all good cuz it was a white dude with blonde hair on the cover.

What Necro doesn't understand is that although he had the choice to hang out in the projects if he wanted, he also has worlds of opportunities not available to black kids. He can choose to rap or he can throw a suit on and go into an office building to get a job. Even if Kool G Rap cleaned himself up and threw the same suit on, with the same qualifications Necro would be looked at as the better candidate. It is Amerikkka regardless of how thugged out he wants to act or cuss or do whatever.

I've made jokes about it before. White rappers and producers can throw their "HipHop uniform" on partake in the culture and do what they want, but I've seen some of those same kids put they suits on and shave then totally forget about anything to do with HipHop and assimilate right into the upper middle class with ease. Most blacks can't do that and white artists need to continue to pay homage to the origins and the culture. Shit ain't never been equal and will probably never be. No one should be offended by what Lord Jamar is saying. The origins of the culture are clearly defined. No matter how you grew up or how down you are you can't change the origin.

[Kace]

Lord Jamar's main point was about how the LGBT community is pushing their agenda on hiphop, Macklemore's race was just a side issue to all of this. Yet EVERYONE is discussing race instead of homosexuality cause race is a 'safer' subject these days (say ONE word against the gay lobby and they CRUCIFY you).

But if you start talking about black population control your're immediately a conspiracy theorist.

[sleazy_j]

Even if Kool G Rap cleaned himself up and threw the same suit on, with the same qualifications Necro would be looked at as the better candidate.

yeah, it's "white privilege".
unrelated is how rap has a "male privilege" to it, also. 9 times out of 10, i don't want to hear a female rapper.

[MC Homeless]

I bet Lord Jamar fucks dudes when nobody is looking.

[Req]

Lord Jamar's main point was about how the LGBT community is pushing their agenda on hiphop, Macklemore's race was just a side issue to all of this. Yet EVERYONE is discussing race instead of homosexuality cause race is a 'safer' subject these days (say ONE word against the gay lobby and they CRUCIFY you).

Dude we get it, you think gays are icky. Please don't hide behind words like "agenda" and "lobby." They don't make your homophobia look any smarter.

[seagrams hotsauce]

In what world is race a 'safer' subject than LGBT rights?

[Kace]

Lord Jamar's main point was about how the LGBT community is pushing their agenda on hiphop, Macklemore's race was just a side issue to all of this. Yet EVERYONE is discussing race instead of homosexuality cause race is a 'safer' subject these days (say ONE word against the gay lobby and they CRUCIFY you).

Dude we get it, you think gays are icky. Please don't hide behind words like "agenda" and "lobby." They don't make your homophobia look any smarter.

Dude we get it, you think gay rights are the new fad (the media and Obama say it is so it must be hip right?). Please don't hide behind words like "homophobia". They don't make your pretentious self-righteousness look any better.

[Req]

the media and Obama

literally jumped the shark into Fox News territory.

DEM GAYS IS TRYNA TEK MAH JESUS

[Indivisual]

Lord Jamar's main point was about how the LGBT community is pushing their agenda on hiphop, Macklemore's race was just a side issue to all of this. Yet EVERYONE is discussing race instead of homosexuality cause race is a 'safer' subject these days (say ONE word against the gay lobby and they CRUCIFY you).

Dude we get it, you think gays are icky. Please don't hide behind words like "agenda" and "lobby." They don't make your homophobia look any smarter.

Dude we get it, you think gay rights are the new fad (the media and Obama say it is so it must be hip right?). Please don't hide behind words like "homophobia". They don't make your pretentious self-righteousness look any better.

[Kace]

In what world is race a 'safer' subject than LGBT rights?

Take the Zimmerman case for example. Imagine if Trayvon was a gay white boy. His killer would be frying in the electric chair. There would be no endless stream of disgusting insults and death threats against the victims supporters.

Gays in America don't have it that hard. I bet there's much more discrimination against Blacks, Latinos and Jews than there against gays.

Anyway, bottom line is that gay rights simply is not something that should be talked about in hiphop. It can coexist OUTSIDE of hiphop. Why do LGBT activists have to stick their nose into everything?

[Indivisual]

Anyway, bottom line is that gay rights simply is not something that should be talked about in hiphop.

why not?

[Req]

Take the Zimmerman case for example. Imagine if Trayvon was a gay white boy. His killer would be frying in the electric chair. There would be no endless stream of disgusting insults and death threats against the victims supporters.

lolwat. The fucking President of the United States intervened....

Gays in America don't have it that hard. I bet there's much more discrimination against Blacks, Latinos and Jews than there against gays.

LOL, what is this, the fucking Oppression Olympics?

Anyway, bottom line is that gay rights simply is not something that should be talked about in hiphop. It can coexist OUTSIDE of hiphop. Why do LGBT activists have to stick their nose into everything?

Guaranteed this the type of dude to go super saiyan mad when he sees two guys holding hands in a State Farm commercial.

BOYCOTT MODERN FAMILY YALL.

[Kace]

the media and Obama

literally jumped the shark into Fox News territory.

DEM GAYS IS TRYNA TEK MAH JESUS

LMAO Fox News? First, I'm Atheist (SHOCKER ). Second, I don't watch any 'news' on TV and republicans disgust me, bunch of cavemen braindead zombies. Get a clue, just because you tolerate something doesn't mean you have to agree with it. Same sex marriage is fine and I'm all for equal rights. Just don't talk about it in hiphop.

Do you support the idea that hiphop from now on should be about feminism, gay rights, pacifism, fluffy bunnies? We might as well take any form of competion out of hiphop too, because that is 'evil' and only leads to individualism and selfishness.

Damn I'm talking to a bunch of here.

[Indivisual]

the media and Obama

literally jumped the shark into Fox News territory.

DEM GAYS IS TRYNA TEK MAH JESUS

LMAO Fox News? First, I'm Atheist (SHOCKER ). Second, I don't watch any 'news' on TV and republicans disgust me, bunch of cavemen braindead zombies. Get a clue, just because you tolerate something doesn't mean you have to agree with it. Same sex marriage is fine and I'm all for equal rights. Just don't talk about it in hiphop.

Do you support the idea that hiphop from now on should be about feminism, gay rights, pacifism, fluffy bunnies? We might as well take any form of competion out of hiphop too, because that is 'evil' and only leads to individualism and selfishness.

Damn I'm talking to a bunch of here.

Why should these things not be talked about in hip hop? Why should anything be off limits? because user "Kace" from the online forum Philaflava says so?

[Echo Leader]

the media and Obama

literally jumped the shark into Fox News territory.

DEM GAYS IS TRYNA TEK MAH JESUS

LMAO Fox News? First, I'm Atheist (SHOCKER ). Second, I don't watch any 'news' on TV and republicans disgust me, bunch of cavemen braindead zombies. Get a clue, just because you tolerate something doesn't mean you have to agree with it. Same sex marriage is fine and I'm all for equal rights. Just don't talk about it in hiphop.

Do you support the idea that hiphop from now on should be about feminism, gay rights, pacifism, fluffy bunnies? We might as well take any form of competion out of hiphop too, because that is 'evil' and only leads to individualism and selfishness.

Damn I'm talking to a bunch of here.

Why should these things not be talked about in hip hop? Why should anything be off limits?

LOL yeah. Explain this to me too. Especially the part that I bolded about "not talking about equal rights in hip hop."

[Larry2times]

Ye are missing the real lulz

I don't watch any 'news' on TV

Kace aint no zionist media puppet, wake up white ppl and watch real infowars and davidicke.com news on the internet

[step one]

Why do LGBT activists have to stick their nose into everything?

[ardamus]

Unless Jamar and Yela both fight, at this point, its a boring argument with two different points of view. Still, the best thing to come out of this is that Necro and Kool G Rap interview.

[Kace]

Why do LGBT activists have to stick their nose into everything?

[Kace]

the media and Obama

literally jumped the shark into Fox News territory.

DEM GAYS IS TRYNA TEK MAH JESUS

LMAO Fox News? First, I'm Atheist (SHOCKER ). Second, I don't watch any 'news' on TV and republicans disgust me, bunch of cavemen braindead zombies. Get a clue, just because you tolerate something doesn't mean you have to agree with it. Same sex marriage is fine and I'm all for equal rights. Just don't talk about it in hiphop.

Do you support the idea that hiphop from now on should be about feminism, gay rights, pacifism, fluffy bunnies? We might as well take any form of competion out of hiphop too, because that is 'evil' and only leads to individualism and selfishness.

Damn I'm talking to a bunch of here.

Why should these things not be talked about in hip hop? Why should anything be off limits?

LOL yeah. Explain this to me too. Especially the part that I bolded about "not talking about equal rights in hip hop."

Of course I'm talking about equal GAY rights here. Hiphop never was about that. Why should that suddenly change now? Because hipsters want this?

Why should these things not be talked about in hip hop? Why should anything be off limits? because user "Kace" from the online forum Philaflava says so?

It's not just my opinion, 90% of rappers think so too.

[Echo Leader]

'Cause rap music that stays "true to the kulcha" always turns out great, right?



W/e tho. Bottom line is that this is more or less attention grabbing behavior by Jamar, a dude whose artistic impact (not INFLUENCE, mind you, before any of you have a seizure) has definitely waned in the past 10 years. I think it's funny that XL8R started covering sissy bounce with that Dre Skull mix & photo spread 5 years ago no one said a damn thing, and those dudes are rapping about cross-dressing and swooping a woman's man. (They've also been around since the late '90's, when Jamar was still a commercially viable rapper). But when a white dude makes a largely forgettable, harmless, radio-friendly song about marriage equality, it becomes a vast gay Illuminati conspiracy. GTFOH.

LOL @ "pushing an agenda." This is all very, very stupid.

[Rob Sonic]

How have I never seen that video for Hip Hop Live I had no Idea HIP HOP was initials for so many things, especially the chemistry stuff.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Of course I'm talking about equal GAY rights here. Hiphop never was about that. Why should that suddenly change now? Because hipsters want this?

Why should these things not be talked about in hip hop? Why should anything be off limits? because user "Kace" from the online forum Philaflava says so?

It's not just my opinion, 90% of rappers think so too.

Hip Hop was never about Instagram, but that's become a relevant thing in society, so people rap about it. Pretty simple stuff. At no point did the 'hipster lobby' come around and say "now now, we like your threatening black people music, but lay off the homos or else we won't buy it!" Rap changed from within, not as a result of external pressures to be more politically correct.

Gay people make you uncomfortable, I get that. A lot of guys are less than firm in these areas, so I can get why you'd feel threatened by something kind of foreign to you, but it's sad that you associate equality and feminism with being weak.

[ackbar]

hip hop been gay

[step one]

Gay people make you uncomfortable, I get that. A lot of guys are less than firm in these areas, so I can get why you'd feel threatened by something kind of foreign to you

[Mindbender Futurama]

hip hop been gay

FOUNDING FATHER

[Kace]

Of course I'm talking about equal GAY rights here. Hiphop never was about that. Why should that suddenly change now? Because hipsters want this?

Why should these things not be talked about in hip hop? Why should anything be off limits? because user "Kace" from the online forum Philaflava says so?

It's not just my opinion, 90% of rappers think so too.

Hip Hop was never about Instagram, but that's become a relevant thing in society, so people rap about it. Pretty simple stuff. At no point did the 'hipster lobby' come around and say "now now, we like your threatening black people music, but lay off the homos or else we won't buy it!" Rap changed from within, not as a result of external pressures to be more politically correct.

Gay people make you uncomfortable, I get that. A lot of guys are less than firm in these areas, so I can get why you'd feel threatened by something kind of foreign to you, but it's sad that you associate equality and feminism with being weak.

Nah man, we've all known for years that Afrika Bambaataa, Mr Cee and Erick Sermon are gay or bi or whatever. I don't care, they are pioneers of hiphop and deserve every respect they can get. They never felt the need to rap about it though, why should that change now? Then the whole 'coming out thing' became hip and look were that lead to, that Ebro guy embarassing Mr Cee making him cry on radio.

[MC Homeless]

In what world is race a 'safer' subject than LGBT rights?

Take the Zimmerman case for example. Imagine if Trayvon was a gay white boy. His killer would be frying in the electric chair. There would be no endless stream of disgusting insults and death threats against the victims supporters.

Gays in America don't have it that hard. I bet there's much more discrimination against Blacks, Latinos and Jews than there against gays.

Anyway, bottom line is that gay rights simply is not something that should be talked about in hiphop. It can coexist OUTSIDE of hiphop. Why do LGBT activists have to stick their nose into everything?

yer a fag

[catfish hunter]

Pimp C rolling in the grave like a pudding

[Philaflava]

I have to admit, he knows how to stay in the news.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.2 ... -anything-


Lord Jamar Says White People "Don't Create Anything"

by Soren Baker

Exclusive: Lord Jamar also says we are heading in a direction where it will "seem odd for a black man to do Hip Hop."

In September, Lord Jamar said that Macklemore & Ryan Lewis’ "Same Love” pushed an agenda that he did not approve of. In a new, exclusive interview with HipHopDX, the Brand Nubian rapper says that he doesn’t think that a White rapper should push an agenda that goes against the principles upon which Hip Hop culture was founded.

“As a White person, who is a guest to the house of Hip Hop, you don't have the right, okay, to come in and try to decide where this shit should go,” Lord Jamar says during an exclusive interview with HipHopDX. "Make a Rock song saying that. Make some EDM shit promoting that. Like don't try to use our vehicle, our vehicle that we created, to promote some shit that you know we don't fuck with. That's all I'm saying.

"I'm not saying White people can't make Hip Hop,” Lord Jamar continues. "I'm not saying you can't talk about pretty much what you want to talk about, but then again, there are boundaries to everything. If I'm making wine, I can't just put fucking beer in there and call it wine. It's no longer wine. It's something else. Don't try to tell me that, ‘Oh, Hip Hop is self expression.' Yeah Hip Hop is self-expression. It is all those things. You're right. But, everything has its parameters, and to say that Black people don't own this music is ridiculous. All cultures want to highlight their accomplishments and there's nothing wrong with that."

Lord Jamar says that he takes issue with the fact that things created by Black people are appropriated by White people, a practice that has taken place, in music in particular, since Black people arrived in the United States.

“They [White people] don't create anything,” Lord Jamar says. "Look at all the remakes they did. Look at all the remakes they did with movies. They're not creative. We've come up with how many different genres of music as long as we've been here, in America? And they've stolen damn-near every one, to the point [where] now it seems odd for a Black man to do Rock & Roll or Country music, when the banjo is an African instrument. They just added a few more strings. Like, knock it off. And that's where Country music comes from, and then Blues and all that type of shit. Rock & Roll was a slang for fuckin' that we came up with. Okay? And so now it seems odd, and so how many years in the future will it seem odd for a black man to do Hip Hop, the way it's going? You see what I'm saying? But what will we do? What we always do. We'll come up with some other fucking shit that'll intrigue you. Some whole next kind of music that'll have you like, 'Oh my God. How did you do that?' And you'll try to shit on it at first the way you did with Hip Hop and then when you see that it's relentless, then you'll try to co-opt it."