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hey mindbender, have you ever read euthyphro?
oh, and about this:
"hip hop is the religion that needs no singular god.
believe who you want: 50 Cent or Nas, Gucci Mane or Kanye. "
what if 50 Cent, Nas, Gucci Mane and Kanye all say you're crazy and the idea of hip hop as a religion is a load of crap. then what do you say?
oh, and about this:
"hip hop is the religion that needs no singular god.
believe who you want: 50 Cent or Nas, Gucci Mane or Kanye. "
what if 50 Cent, Nas, Gucci Mane and Kanye all say you're crazy and the idea of hip hop as a religion is a load of crap. then what do you say?
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yo bender ...
even the truest of true KRS-One friends, like ill Will, know that KRS-One is not the same person as before 95 and that he is far detached from what it is that made him soooo great before then ... and that everything he is doing since then has been a strategic, calculated, theatrically planned business plan, and NOT art ... without the arts (the art of music, which he declared to me that he NO LONGER cares about), HipHop, and KRS-One's message has no power ... so riding his dick does you, him and the arts no good ... no matter how much you 'believe' and no matter how hard you try ... everybody, including KRS, needs the right kind of people around to reach their potential ... KRS has been running with the wrong kind of people since 95 ... dick riding yes men are not good for people ...
even the truest of true KRS-One friends, like ill Will, know that KRS-One is not the same person as before 95 and that he is far detached from what it is that made him soooo great before then ... and that everything he is doing since then has been a strategic, calculated, theatrically planned business plan, and NOT art ... without the arts (the art of music, which he declared to me that he NO LONGER cares about), HipHop, and KRS-One's message has no power ... so riding his dick does you, him and the arts no good ... no matter how much you 'believe' and no matter how hard you try ... everybody, including KRS, needs the right kind of people around to reach their potential ... KRS has been running with the wrong kind of people since 95 ... dick riding yes men are not good for people ...
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If true then this is the worst business plan anyone has ever seen.ACTHEPD wrote:yo bender ...
everything he is doing since then has been a strategic, calculated, theatrically planned business plan
Also, AC you fucking faggot, look up the difference between ... and ,
Your use of punctuation is NOT Hip Hop.
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no, never read that book. what is it about?CraigHollister wrote:hey mindbender, have you ever read euthyphro?
oh, and about this:
"hip hop is the religion that needs no singular god.
believe who you want: 50 Cent or Nas, Gucci Mane or Kanye. "
what if 50 Cent, Nas, Gucci Mane and Kanye all say you're crazy and the idea of hip hop as a religion is a load of crap. then what do you say?
what would I say if they all said that? I'd say 'on to the next god. jay electronica is building a pretty credible religion of rap...'
Boots Riley is also godly on the mic
so is Mos Def
KRS One
Lauryn Hill
Crooked I
Royce the 5'9"
Eminem
I have my own favorites. You pick your own rap god.
you guys can try to destroy this idea all you want. it can't be destroyed.
everything is a religion. you just don't see it that way.
Howard Stern is the God of his radio show demographic. That doesn't mean he shoots lightning bolts to his rivals and gives commandments to his listeners. This means he creates a world, and others believe in it.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
you are the god of something in your life. you just don't see it that way. you still are responsible to it.
you might need to re-adjust your definition of the word 'God' though. its nothing about all-powerful.
You're in Heaven right now, God.
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you've just re-adjusted everyone's definition of deluded interent freakMindbender Futurama wrote: you might need to re-adjust your definition of the word 'God' though. its nothing about all-powerful.
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The word "God" is an outdated man-made name for whatever it is that created everything that is conclusive ... Using the word 'God' is completely not affective in 2009 ...
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i dont even want to know what you think about divinity, if you think so fucked up about hiffop! kulchaaaACTHEPD wrote:The word "God" is an outdated man-made name for whatever it is that created everything that is conclusive ... Using the word 'God' is completely not affective in 2009 ...
stay insane, buddy.
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Separatism has infected language all over the world ... giving The Creator a name, as opposed to an adjective/description, manifests separatist ideologies that are neither related to The Creator or our responsibility to 'It' ... ... thus we have 'holy wars' of people vs. people who use different man-made words as 'names', as opposed to descriptive adjectives ... both sides are sick and separated from their true Creator while they fight, kill and/or die for a man-made fake economic-establishment's Creator ... hope this was put in a way that doesn't confuse you ...
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It's about how any form of polytheism makes it tremendously hard to define what the said religion deems as 'holy'. my point of bringing it up was to see what your definition of holiness is in this hip hop religion. figured if you were able to give a decent answer i could give you some credibility.
you're not talking about gods. you're talking about idols. if hip hop is religion and you're calling these rappers gods in your religion, wouldn't it be blasphemous to denounce them as gods? it's completely contradictory. you can't call them gods and say because they disagree with you that now they're no longer gods and are ignored. i also understand at this point that you could argue that even then they could be a god to someone else. but the fact that you say this is your religion AND they are gods excludes you from having the ability to ignore them. you chose your religion; your religion chose your gods. if you have the ability to choose who your gods are, then why follow a hip hop religion? you can deify your favorites without a hip hop religion. you can deify quentin tarantino if you would like. you can deify obama if you want. some people deify manson and hitler. but then again, you have no power to literally deify anyone. so what do you all have in common? you idolize to the point that you make an individual your god. your choice being polytheistic is why i asked if you've read euthyphro.
we can't destroy anything that's made up in someone else's mind. it's like a drug addict. you can try to help them get clean all you want but they decide if they want to sober up or continue getting high. we can't make you or KRS or anyone else stop idolizing humans and calling them gods. only you can make the choice to realize a person is not a god. however, the not insane way to do what you're doing is to treat these MC's as men of words you can choose to believe or not believe.
What you're doing is the equivalent of someone saying that self help books are religion. Yet then picking and choosing which self help books are canon as they please. And anyone else who buys into self help books being religion can pick and choose their own canon. that's not religion. that's what you're doing. and you're elevating it past what it is. that's not what religion is.
i'm not understanding how everyone can choose their own gods and still say they're in the same religion. after "hip hop is spiritual; base your life on it but choose your own gods and philosophy" i don't understand this at all.
i say all this trying to understand, and trying to help you understand the other side of it. because as ridiculous as all of this seems to me, i can only assume you and KRS are delusional at this moment in time. so please, enlighten me because i'm open to understanding something that makes sense.
you're not talking about gods. you're talking about idols. if hip hop is religion and you're calling these rappers gods in your religion, wouldn't it be blasphemous to denounce them as gods? it's completely contradictory. you can't call them gods and say because they disagree with you that now they're no longer gods and are ignored. i also understand at this point that you could argue that even then they could be a god to someone else. but the fact that you say this is your religion AND they are gods excludes you from having the ability to ignore them. you chose your religion; your religion chose your gods. if you have the ability to choose who your gods are, then why follow a hip hop religion? you can deify your favorites without a hip hop religion. you can deify quentin tarantino if you would like. you can deify obama if you want. some people deify manson and hitler. but then again, you have no power to literally deify anyone. so what do you all have in common? you idolize to the point that you make an individual your god. your choice being polytheistic is why i asked if you've read euthyphro.
we can't destroy anything that's made up in someone else's mind. it's like a drug addict. you can try to help them get clean all you want but they decide if they want to sober up or continue getting high. we can't make you or KRS or anyone else stop idolizing humans and calling them gods. only you can make the choice to realize a person is not a god. however, the not insane way to do what you're doing is to treat these MC's as men of words you can choose to believe or not believe.
What you're doing is the equivalent of someone saying that self help books are religion. Yet then picking and choosing which self help books are canon as they please. And anyone else who buys into self help books being religion can pick and choose their own canon. that's not religion. that's what you're doing. and you're elevating it past what it is. that's not what religion is.
i'm not understanding how everyone can choose their own gods and still say they're in the same religion. after "hip hop is spiritual; base your life on it but choose your own gods and philosophy" i don't understand this at all.
i say all this trying to understand, and trying to help you understand the other side of it. because as ridiculous as all of this seems to me, i can only assume you and KRS are delusional at this moment in time. so please, enlighten me because i'm open to understanding something that makes sense.
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nah, i agree with it.ACTHEPD wrote:Separatism has infected language all over the world ... giving The Creator a name, as opposed to an adjective/description, manifests separatist ideologies that are neither related to The Creator or our responsibility to 'It' ... ... thus we have 'holy wars' of people vs. people who use different man-made words as 'names', as opposed to descriptive adjectives ... both sides are sick and separated from their true Creator while they fight, kill and/or die for a man-made fake economic-establishment's Creator ... hope this was put in a way that doesn't confuse you ...
"i use all and none of the names for the Most High/ you can only speak to it breathing with peacefulness and only see it with closed eyes" - Mindbender
you EASILY have had the most coherent and mature offering of debate out of anyone on here who has doubted the thought of "hip hop as heaven". i fully appreciate this, i have no problem with anything you've said. it helps me define it better, actually. i welcome any opposing thought to this idea. but only when it's mature and respectful.CraigHollister wrote:It's about how any form of polytheism makes it tremendously hard to define what the said religion deems as 'holy'. my point of bringing it up was to see what your definition of holiness is in this hip hop religion. figured if you were able to give a decent answer i could give you some credibility.
you're not talking about gods. you're talking about idols. if hip hop is religion and you're calling these rappers gods in your religion, wouldn't it be blasphemous to denounce them as gods? it's completely contradictory. you can't call them gods and say because they disagree with you that now they're no longer gods and are ignored. i also understand at this point that you could argue that even then they could be a god to someone else. but the fact that you say this is your religion AND they are gods excludes you from having the ability to ignore them. you chose your religion; your religion chose your gods. if you have the ability to choose who your gods are, then why follow a hip hop religion? you can deify your favorites without a hip hop religion. you can deify quentin tarantino if you would like. you can deify obama if you want. some people deify manson and hitler. but then again, you have no power to literally deify anyone. so what do you all have in common? you idolize to the point that you make an individual your god. your choice being polytheistic is why i asked if you've read euthyphro.
we can't destroy anything that's made up in someone else's mind. it's like a drug addict. you can try to help them get clean all you want but they decide if they want to sober up or continue getting high. we can't make you or KRS or anyone else stop idolizing humans and calling them gods. only you can make the choice to realize a person is not a god. however, the not insane way to do what you're doing is to treat these MC's as men of words you can choose to believe or not believe.
What you're doing is the equivalent of someone saying that self help books are religion. Yet then picking and choosing which self help books are canon as they please. And anyone else who buys into self help books being religion can pick and choose their own canon. that's not religion. that's what you're doing. and you're elevating it past what it is. that's not what religion is.
i'm not understanding how everyone can choose their own gods and still say they're in the same religion. after "hip hop is spiritual; base your life on it but choose your own gods and philosophy" i don't understand this at all.
i say all this trying to understand, and trying to help you understand the other side of it. because as ridiculous as all of this seems to me, i can only assume you and KRS are delusional at this moment in time. so please, enlighten me because i'm open to understanding something that makes sense.
i suppose it comes down to the difference we have in the definition of God, and what purpose that idea of God has in any religion that would follow it.
to me a person IS a god. they are a creator. which is the fundamental act of God. And "god" isn't even "god" technically, it's just a word and a thought given the most supreme elevation we can conceive. the mysterious thing that created the universe ~probably~ doesn't actually go by the name "GOD", if i may be so bold as to say so (sorry Christians, just work with me here).
music is holy to me. the piano notes of 'The World Is Yours' are truly sacred to me. the warm tones of the Large Professor 'Resurrection' remix are divine to me. the high-pitched siren of 'Shook Ones Pt. 2' is righteous to me. when the drums and the bassline drops, I want to scream 'hallelujah!' damn near every time. I love hip hop cause its heaven to my ears. that's it. and on top of that, the rhymes of Nas, Common and Prodigy have been, at their best, some truly life altering and life-enhancing lyrics, gospel worthy of any of the greats who have spoken about life itself. what else do you need to be God-worthy? Not much else to me. God exists in a kiss, a smile, and in a moment of genius.
I have the power to call anything I want divine. I give my love power to the artform of hip hop.
You know the idea of a holy pet rock? I guess its the same thing. After a while, you know you can't say shit to someone who is praying to a rock. And after a while, some people are like "holy shit, this person REALLY DOES BELIEVE IN THIS ROCK! And they seem like they are happy! I wonder... is that rock really God?"
to the person praying to it, it might as well be.
I got no problem giving divinity status to everyone who is REALLY true to the ideals of hip hop culture. Everyone has the potential to achieve Rakim Allah righteousness... but they need to achieve something similarly incredible.
I guess I'm saying hip hop can let you: "Become God or die trying". Many fallen heroes have done that. And even Curtis Jackson has achieved a certain sainthood, regardless of all the evil he has done.
it takes a lot of love and forgiveness for this "hip hop is heaven" idea to fly though, maybe that's one obstacle I'm not exactly as caught up in as others might be...
sins are just as important as miracles to me. you wouldn't know Cam'ron was evil if you didn't have Lupe Fiasco as a counterpoint.
I think life itself is God, so that's why MCs are Gods, not just idols...
"where the hope faith and belief is gone/ where kids believe in rappers more than they believe in God" - Graph, Welcome to My City
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i can understand what you're saying. i think music is a gift from God, and I can say in a way that I can see God in things. so i think part of it all this is semantics. i think the part I still fundamentally disagree with is giving any human being divinity. but i guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree, as much as I respect Rakim & Nas and can find certain insights in some of their lyrics.
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