Sage Francis called out for disavowing Anticon affiliation

[B. Ware tha Siniq]

[Kilgore786]

I am an unashamed Anticon fan.

Seriously, I still get down with DPD, SLW and Muted...

Recognize.

[Employee]

I am an unashamed Anticon fan.

Seriously, I still get down with DPD, SLW and Muted...

Recognize.

You're one of the lucid few. Selective amnesia has afflicted posters in sweeping waves.

[Reggie]

shit i was the only piru nigga to bump deep puddle

i 100% believe this is the first time on the planet that sentence has ever been said.

it's not really too surprising. it's the only cd his witness protection handler let him borrow during his debriefing.

An office room in the LA County FBI field office.

FBI Agent: Tweak, it's critical to this operation that you cut off all connections to your former Piru associates.

Tweak: What about Bompton though? Will I be able to go back to Bompton - ya know, to see my old playground. Maybe ride the see-saw. Go down the slide.

FBI Agent: That's out of the question, Tweak. Bompton no longer exists, as far as your concerned.

Tweak: Aiight, but what if a playa wanna cruise down to fruit town?

FBI Agent: I think there's a Food Town in Barstow. They've got a Whole Foods on I-15...there's a...

Tweak: ...nah, nigga. FRUIT TOWN. I might wanna go take a trip down to FRUIT TOWN, ya feel me?

FBI Agent: Look, Tweak, I'm not really interested in your lifestyle or your sexual orientation. What you do in your spare time is none of my business. My business is to make sure you keep a low profile. You're invaluable to our operation, Tweak. Without you we have no shot of infiltrating the Piru gang.

Tweak: No doubt.

FBI Agent: One last thing and this is important. The place where you'll be relocating is a very quiet suburban neighborhood. You need to try to blend in as best you can. I can't have you drivin' a lowrider through the development blasting Dr. Dre at 120 dB. So you need to be very discreet when you're out about town. You can't draw any attention to yourself.

Tweak: So I can't bump some Messy Marv on my way to the post office?

FBI Agent: I don't think that's a good idea, Tweak.

Tweak: No Yukmouth?

FBI Agent: No. For christ sakes, Tweak. This isn't a game. We cannot afford to jeopardize you're safety and the success of this operation.

Tweak: Okay. What about...Deep Puddle Dynamics?

FBI Agent: Huh?

Tweak: DPD, son.

FBI Agent: (stunned) You listen to Deep Puddle Dynamics? That overrated nerd rap supergroup?

Tweak: Yeah, nigga.

FBI Agent: (still stunned) Wow. I can't believe you...um...wow...um...anyway, Deep Puddle Dynamics is okay. Actually, that might be a good cover. No one would expect a former 'Ru to be listening to that kind of candy-ass pretentious bullshit. So Deep Puddle Dynamics is fine.

Tweak: Word, son.

Excellent, but you left out the part at the end where the FBI Agent gave Tweak a lifetime license to carry a concealed weapon because he respected Tweak's emo swag.

[Shup Diddy]

shit i was the only piru nigga to bump deep puddle

i 100% believe this is the first time on the planet that sentence has ever been said.

it's not really too surprising. it's the only cd his witness protection handler let him borrow during his debriefing.

An office room in the LA County FBI field office.

FBI Agent: Tweak, it's critical to this operation that you cut off all connections to your former Piru associates.

Tweak: What about Bompton though? Will I be able to go back to Bompton - ya know, to see my old playground. Maybe ride the see-saw. Go down the slide.

FBI Agent: That's out of the question, Tweak. Bompton no longer exists, as far as your concerned.

Tweak: Aiight, but what if a playa wanna cruise down to fruit town?

FBI Agent: I think there's a Food Town in Barstow. They've got a Whole Foods on I-15...there's a...

Tweak: ...nah, nigga. FRUIT TOWN. I might wanna go take a trip down to FRUIT TOWN, ya feel me?

FBI Agent: Look, Tweak, I'm not really interested in your lifestyle or your sexual orientation. What you do in your spare time is none of my business. My business is to make sure you keep a low profile. You're invaluable to our operation, Tweak. Without you we have no shot of infiltrating the Piru gang.

Tweak: No doubt.

FBI Agent: One last thing and this is important. The place where you'll be relocating is a very quiet suburban neighborhood. You need to try to blend in as best you can. I can't have you drivin' a lowrider through the development blasting Dr. Dre at 120 dB. So you need to be very discreet when you're out about town. You can't draw any attention to yourself.

Tweak: So I can't bump some Messy Marv on my way to the post office?

FBI Agent: I don't think that's a good idea, Tweak.

Tweak: No Yukmouth?

FBI Agent: No. For christ sakes, Tweak. This isn't a game. We cannot afford to jeopardize you're safety and the success of this operation.

Tweak: Okay. What about...Deep Puddle Dynamics?

FBI Agent: Huh?

Tweak: DPD, son.

FBI Agent: (stunned) You listen to Deep Puddle Dynamics? That overrated nerd rap supergroup?

Tweak: Yeah, nigga.

FBI Agent: (still stunned) Wow. I can't believe you...um...wow...um...anyway, Deep Puddle Dynamics is okay. Actually, that might be a good cover. No one would expect a former 'Ru to be listening to that kind of candy-ass pretentious bullshit. So Deep Puddle Dynamics is fine.

Tweak: Word, son.

Excellent, but you left out the part at the end where the FBI Agent gave Tweak a lifetime license to carry a concealed weapon because he respected Tweak's emo swag.

or the famous part when he wakes up in the chair

"welcome home, echo"
"was i asleep?"

[Mc_I-mar]

ok seriously here, can somebody (or everybody) please explain why fans and even the members themselves are running from anticon? why is it considered such a disgrace to be involved with anticon?I mean seriously, this anti-anticon movement has been going on for as long as I've been in hiphop and nobody can give me a good reason as to why. I mean do they piss on their front row fans? do they put the ebola virus in every copy of their CDs? did they come out with some cosplay sesame street crossover porn VHS back in the day? All they seem to be guilty of is making some progressive, left field music.In spite of that, isn't there room for everything in hiphop?

except horrorcore obviously....

[kimani]

It was a Mr. Rogers (R.I.P.) crossover porn VHS if my memory serves me correctly.

[Mc_I-mar]

It was a Mr. Rogers (R.I.P.) crossover porn VHS if my memory serves me correctly.

I know huh?
You would think they[anticon] were in the kitchen baking up AIDS for mass distribution or something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to earn an anticon membership (probably not a best match), but I do respect their right to practice their craft and create art.

[battlecatmeowstab212]

All they seem to be guilty of is making some progressive, left field music.In spite of that, isn't there room for everything in hiphop?

Speaking as someone who wasn't into the movement when it was being really dickrided, I think the backlash was due to how the more visible members and their fans carried themselves at the time. The whole "Music for the Advancement of Hip-Hop" wasn't the "hey guys, we're doing something different in the corner, come check it out! No? S'all good, we're not for everybody" banner it seems to have become. Rather, it was as passive aggressive as militant can get making a "you're either with us, or retarded" line in the sand and the ripple effect leading a vocal fanbase to fill the internet and indie music stores with echos of "if your rapper rhymes, then he isn't as smart as me." While I don't agree with necessarily holding something against an artist for what his fans say/do or what other artists they inspire, it was really an "us or you're dumb" mentality that caused feelings to be caught.

I've enjoyed the work of some of their producers as well as Sage Francis and Pedestrian's albums and Dose-One's collaborations with Mr. Len, but it's not for me. The label and its cult did irritate me for most of the early-2000s but growing up really made me not care. I think the best thing the label's done is the release of the scrapped Darc Mind record that probably would not have otherwise seen the light of day, which is one of the better gestures any indie rap label has done and I wish they did more of it.

But back to your question, I think the hate stems from their Dark Carnival for Cultural Studies Majors mentality.

[Tommy Bunz]

Money Gripp


I have never listened to a single anticon record. I'm pretty ok with this.

[Combo7]

I think the best thing the label's done is the release of the scrapped Darc Mind record that probably would not have otherwise seen the light of day, which is one of the better gestures any indie rap label has done and I wish they did more of it.

What the fuck??? I had no idea they did this.

Was this the album that was supposed to drop on Loud?

[chump change]

shit i was the only piru nigga to bump deep puddle

please stop

[Reggie]

All they seem to be guilty of is making some progressive, left field music.In spite of that, isn't there room for everything in hiphop?

Speaking as someone who wasn't into the movement when it was being really dickrided, I think the backlash was due to how the more visible members and their fans carried themselves at the time. The whole "Music for the Advancement of Hip-Hop" wasn't the "hey guys, we're doing something different in the corner, come check it out! No? S'all good, we're not for everybody" banner it seems to have become. Rather, it was as passive aggressive as militant can get making a "you're either with us, or retarded" line in the sand and the ripple effect leading a vocal fanbase to fill the internet and indie music stores with echos of "if your rapper rhymes, then he isn't as smart as me." While I don't agree with necessarily holding something against an artist for what his fans say/do or what other artists they inspire, it was really an "us or you're dumb" mentality that caused feelings to be caught.

This, and the fact that, for a while, every time sole gave an interview, he would proclaim his game-changing style was more rooted in classic hip-hop like PHAROH MONCHE and how much he liked PHAROH MONCHE and gosh anticon is just like a modern day PHAROH MONCHE and if you don't get that then you're just not open to advancing hip-hop. Not to mention that a twenty-something dude from Maine in Birkenstocks shouldn't really be laying claim to hip-hop just because he likes the music and made noise on college radio or whatever.

On top of that, his music sucked and seemed mad amateurish. I haven't listened to sole for a long time, so maybe it is much better now, but I found a lot of irony in the fact that anticon was supposedly advancing hip-hop yet their music sounded like it was recorded in the hold of a schooner on a Fisher Price tape deck.

[battlecatmeowstab212]

I think the best thing the label's done is the release of the scrapped Darc Mind record that probably would not have otherwise seen the light of day, which is one of the better gestures any indie rap label has done and I wish they did more of it.

What the fuck??? I had no idea they did this.

Was this the album that was supposed to drop on Loud?

Indeed it is.

[drizzle]

holy shit gripp

best post on this board in a while

[Combo7]

I think the best thing the label's done is the release of the scrapped Darc Mind record that probably would not have otherwise seen the light of day, which is one of the better gestures any indie rap label has done and I wish they did more of it.

What the fuck??? I had no idea they did this.

Was this the album that was supposed to drop on Loud?

Indeed it is.

You, sir, just made my day. Psyched to hear this.

[Mc_I-mar]

Speaking as someone who wasn't into the movement when it was being really dickrided, I think the backlash was due to how the more visible members and their fans carried themselves at the time. The whole "Music for the Advancement of Hip-Hop" wasn't the "hey guys, we're doing something different in the corner, come check it out! No? S'all good, we're not for everybody" banner it seems to have become. Rather, it was as passive aggressive as militant can get making a "you're either with us, or retarded" line in the sand and the ripple effect leading a vocal fanbase to fill the internet and indie music stores with echos of "if your rapper rhymes, then he isn't as smart as me." While I don't agree with necessarily holding something against an artist for what his fans say/do or what other artists they inspire, it was really an "us or you're dumb" mentality that caused feelings to be caught.

This, and the fact that, for a while, every time sole gave an interview, he would proclaim his game-changing style was more rooted in classic hip-hop like PHAROH MONCHE and how much he liked PHAROH MONCHE and gosh anticon is just like a modern day PHAROH MONCHE and if you don't get that then you're just not open to advancing hip-hop. Not to mention that a twenty-something dude from Maine in Birkenstocks shouldn't really be laying claim to hip-hop just because he likes the music and made noise on college radio or whatever.

On top of that, his music sucked and seemed mad amateurish. I haven't listened to sole for a long time, so maybe it is much better now, but I found a lot of irony in the fact that anticon was supposedly advancing hip-hop yet their music sounded like it was recorded in the hold of a schooner on a Fisher Price tape deck.

ok, these two post helped shed light on things. I can see how they would rub people the wrong way if they were blow heartin that hard.I mean really, a peacock looks cool but does gets annoying after a while.

[Blockhead]

I think the best thing the label's done is the release of the scrapped Darc Mind record that probably would not have otherwise seen the light of day, which is one of the better gestures any indie rap label has done and I wish they did more of it.

What the fuck??? I had no idea they did this.

Was this the album that was supposed to drop on Loud?

Indeed it is.

You, sir, just made my day. Psyched to hear this.

word.

[HomeSkillet]

I am an unashamed Anticon fan.

Seriously, I still get down with DPD, SLW and Muted...

Recognize.

You're one of the lucid few. Selective amnesia has afflicted posters in sweeping waves.

to tell you the truth I had never ever ever heard of this shit from Anticon before I came to - I've heard some hippyish hop because that Roots meets Phish stuff had an audience in B-more but but never stuff like enviro-rap and stuff.

i am not against getting into it but other than live videos of Jel banging away (which is unbelievable) I guess I've just evaded it like the plague. is there a few good albums I could jam to?

When I want to get my suburb on I listen to rhymesayers stuff I guess I'm just hardcore like that.

[GUCCI CONDOMS]

when sage francis records an album as good as hemispheres then he can talk shit

[PopeyeJones]

Gripp is on point with that post. I think Anticon being a punchline spread pretty quickly beyond the boundaries of people who had ever heard there music as well because of their fans.

At that time, they had a wildly rabid fanbase who, in my experience, were almost entirely made up of people who had no interest in teh rapz before Anticon, but took the whole advancement thing hook line and sinker without really having any idea what they were talking about. I remember having more than one person who used to be the quiet nerd type suddenly taking up way too much space preaching about the ills of hiphop and how groundbreaking Anticon was and how they had changed everything. What that "everything" was, of curse, was murky as hell and generally relied on platitudes and catch phrases because these newly minted critics didn't really have the background to know what they were talking about. It seemed like there were hella people who liked them who took this cavalier approach to crafting their authentic real underground hip hop head identity. They used the last 20 years of music as an uninvestigated placeholder to prop up somewhat mediocre music (from what I've heard) that they had a messianic zeal for. It made it easy to disregard Anticon without ever really listening to their music.

That said, I think Gripp is right and the "leaders" of that "movement" aren't absolved of responsibility, as they were kind of spoon feeding that condescending and grandiose attitude out to the fans who most people were actually hearing this retarded shit from. The worst characteristics of that scene were the quickest to spread. Truth is I don't really know any of those guys or their music, I just assume they're all fucking idiots because of who is listening to them (and as most performers will tell you, they can't cosign 90% of their fanbase). The funny part is that Sage, at least from what I've seen in the last five years, is still more on the cocky yet safely ironic condescending save the world bullshit than any of those guys at this point. Funny that he's the chief cannibal.

[Big Lurk]

Selling Live Water = str8 classic.

[ardamus]

I am an unashamed Anticon fan.

Seriously, I still get down with DPD, SLW and Muted...

Recognize.

You're one of the lucid few. Selective amnesia has afflicted posters in sweeping waves.

thats part of the reason why i wrote that line in the 1st posse cut. at the end of the day, like what you like and get the fuck on with it. can't go by what dickheads on messageboards and blogs always say about music. make your own decision on what you like.....

i fuck with they do. honestly, i don't like everything they've done (insert cory joke here) but they stood out, got a fanbase, and still put out shit. crews, groups, and labels fall apart all the time and its rare you find some of them still around who can still lock onto their fanbase to certain degree. at that, expand on what they've done. just my take on it.....

[Employee]

I am an unashamed Anticon fan.

Seriously, I still get down with DPD, SLW and Muted...

Recognize.

You're one of the lucid few. Selective amnesia has afflicted posters in sweeping waves.

thats part of the reason why i wrote that line in the 1st posse cut. at the end of the day, like what you like and get the fuck on with it. can't go by what dickheads on messageboards and blogs always say about music. make your own decision on what you like.....

i fuck with they do. honestly, i don't like everything they've done (insert cory joke here) but they stood out, got a fanbase, and still put out shit. crews, groups, and labels fall apart all the time and its rare you find some of them still around who can still lock onto their fanbase to certain degree. at that, expand on what they've done. just my take on it.....

Word.

I think the universal consenus on is that the overwhelming majority of Anticon related rapping is not for ear/brain consumption. But the bulk of the production to emerge from that label is downright amazing. Tons of talent. Jel alone possesses otherworldly beat magic. Especially live.

Seriously, though, like the Ackbars of the world? No shame. Jeezy replaced Buck 65 on the "Top 5" list when the backlash became severe mother fuckers were facing message board ostracization.

Even Da Ithe Man pointed out Thun's praise of Hemispheres followed by Thun's adamant denials of every showering any positive words of any kind on the Anticon camp.

[Reason]

shit i was the only piru nigga to bump deep puddle

i 100% believe this is the first time on the planet that sentence has ever been said.

it's not really too surprising. it's the only cd his witness protection handler let him borrow during his debriefing.

An office room in the LA County FBI field office.

FBI Agent: Tweak, it's critical to this operation that you cut off all connections to your former Piru associates.

Tweak: What about Bompton though? Will I be able to go back to Bompton - ya know, to see my old playground. Maybe ride the see-saw. Go down the slide.

FBI Agent: That's out of the question, Tweak. Bompton no longer exists, as far as your concerned.

Tweak: Aiight, but what if a playa wanna cruise down to fruit town?

FBI Agent: I think there's a Food Town in Barstow. They've got a Whole Foods on I-15...there's a...

Tweak: ...nah, nigga. FRUIT TOWN. I might wanna go take a trip down to FRUIT TOWN, ya feel me?

FBI Agent: Look, Tweak, I'm not really interested in your lifestyle or your sexual orientation. What you do in your spare time is none of my business. My business is to make sure you keep a low profile. You're invaluable to our operation, Tweak. Without you we have no shot of infiltrating the Piru gang.

Tweak: No doubt.

FBI Agent: One last thing and this is important. The place where you'll be relocating is a very quiet suburban neighborhood. You need to try to blend in as best you can. I can't have you drivin' a lowrider through the development blasting Dr. Dre at 120 dB. So you need to be very discreet when you're out about town. You can't draw any attention to yourself.

Tweak: So I can't bump some Messy Marv on my way to the post office?

FBI Agent: I don't think that's a good idea, Tweak.

Tweak: No Yukmouth?

FBI Agent: No. For christ sakes, Tweak. This isn't a game. We cannot afford to jeopardize you're safety and the success of this operation.

Tweak: Okay. What about...Deep Puddle Dynamics?

FBI Agent: Huh?

Tweak: DPD, son.

FBI Agent: (stunned) You listen to Deep Puddle Dynamics? That overrated nerd rap supergroup?

Tweak: Yeah, nigga.

FBI Agent: (still stunned) Wow. I can't believe you...um...wow...um...anyway, Deep Puddle Dynamics is okay. Actually, that might be a good cover. No one would expect a former 'Ru to be listening to that kind of candy-ass pretentious bullshit. So Deep Puddle Dynamics is fine.

Tweak: Word, son.

^ 5/5

[Random Sample]

I don't understand how he has fans by the way he treats people.

[Employee]

I don't understand how he has fans by the way he treats people.

Self-hating white kids love being on the receiving end of any abuse leveled at them by a perceived elder.

[ackbar]

i heard some new restiform bodies song that sounds like electro/blog house. are those the kind of tunes they make now?

[ackbar]

that emynd producer is some sort of an electro/blog/bmore guy now too

[MC Homeless]

i heard some new restiform bodies song that sounds like electro/blog house. are those the kind of tunes they make now?

what is bloghouse? electro that is popular only on music blogs? shit is outta control.