The Alchemist vs. Scott Storch

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:58 am

Don't think this isn't a tough one, it is.

Feel free to post both discographies, but please know your facts before shooting off. Tuff Jew is really responsible for Chronic 2001, believe that!

Quotashun · Post by **Quotashun** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:02 am

i think storch is a lot more diverse, but i still prefer alchemist for the most part.

odium-LSC · Post by **odium-LSC** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:20 am

alchemist.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:25 am

Don't front, you all loved "Cry Me A River."

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:44 am

that right there is a tie for me.......both damn good producers right there

Quotashun · Post by **Quotashun** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:56 am

PhilaFlava wrote:Don't front, you all loved "Cry Me A River."

haha i won't front... i thought the first half of justified was dope. think i liked only one on the second half though.

skurdur · Post by **skurdur** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:02 am

i gonna have to go with Alchemist on this one, cause i like his sound better. not a great big fan of Dre's newer beats, but besides that i don't know a lot about Storch's work.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:04 am

^ which is going to be the reason most peeps vote for Al. Can somebody post Scortch's discography. I can't find it on google.

skurdur · Post by **skurdur** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:11 am

yeah you're right. it would be good to see his discography.
has Alc done any ghostproduction that is known of? i read somewhere he did "Temples of Boom"... anybody know if that's true?

Quotashun · Post by **Quotashun** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:14 am

can't find storch's discography either.

did he basically get his start with the roots as their keyboardist? he's come a long way since then... it's a shame he doesn't get more props for all the dope shit he's done.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:18 am

he started out with the roots, but he has done work for mobb, snoop, christina ag, beyonce, rock, busta...man the list is sick. a discography is definitely needed, because i bet once a few peeps see it, they'll wish they could vote over.

Quotashun · Post by **Quotashun** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:19 am

PhilaFlava wrote:he started out with the roots, but he has done work for mobb, snoop, christina ag, beyonce, rock, busta...man the list is sick. a discography is definitely needed, because i bet once a few peeps see it, they'll wish they could vote over.

word... he's gotta be the richest often-unrecognized producer in hip-hop.

one of my favs of his is w.c. & snoop's "the streets (re-twisted)".

DJ A-Beats · Post by **DJ A-Beats** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:20 am

respect is def due to ss, but i love al's sound. its so fucken grimey, al all the way. p

Funk Docta Bombay · Post by **Funk Docta Bombay** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:52 am

Alchemist easy.

now SS' work with Dre and Mel Man on 2001 is incredible, it's pretty telling that he never topped it once he stopped working under them. Rocaway and that new Roots song are HORRIBLE. Those are the generic mainstream backing tracks that A&R's should be shot for.

Alc meanwhile is dope as fuck. I can't say his recent stuff has thrilled me as much as his older, grimier material (maybe it's also his choice of emcees), but anyone who managed to flip Thomas Dolby into not only a club banger, but a dark one that manages to get Mobb Deep some mass appeal without selling their sound out deserves much respect.

Anyone check out Hold you Down from his album on hhgame? Man, he flips the same sample Just Blaze rocked on "soon you'll understand" but minimizes it to the essentials and turns into some straight rough shit. When he brings it back to that mid-late 90's level I just can't hate.

OMNI · Post by **OMNI** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:49 pm

Funk Docta Bombay wrote:Alchemist easy.

now SS' work with Dre and Mel Man on 2001 is incredible, it's pretty telling that he never topped it once he stopped working under them. Rocaway and that new Roots song are HORRIBLE. Those are the generic mainstream backing tracks that A&R's should be shot for.

Alc meanwhile is dope as fuck. I can't say his recent stuff has thrilled me as much as his older, grimier material (maybe it's also his choice of emcees), but anyone who managed to flip Thomas Dolby into not only a club banger, but a dark one that manages to get Mobb Deep some mass appeal without selling their sound out deserves much respect.

Anyone check out Hold you Down from his album on hhgame? Man, he flips the same sample Just Blaze rocked on "soon you'll understand" but minimizes it to the essentials and turns into some straight rough shit. When he brings it back to that mid-late 90's level I just can't hate.

Co-signed,

Storch is on his way to becoming the worst A-list producer ever.

Where do people get this "Cry Me a River" thing from? Maybe he helped make the track but the song is based around Timbo's beatbox.

The ILLatino · Post by **The ILLatino** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:11 pm

Scott Stoch AND Timbo made "Cry Me A River" what it is. Without Timbos ridiculous percussion, it woulda been a sappy ass song. Storch's strings made it ill as well.

Storch has concocted many a banger, I can't front. I, too, have heard that he was a huge part of CHRONIC 2001, so I can't hate. His discography is probably insane, though because he's done a gang of shit outside of hip hop.

Lately, I've been disappointed with Al, but between 99 and 02 the man was ON FIRE. "Got It Twisted" is a club banger AND grimey, just like somebody else said.

I'm really a huge fan of both, but my preference as far as hip hop production goes is, the grimier, the better. Because of that, I gotta give it to Al. I hear Al ghostproduced a large part of the 1st SOUL ASSASSINS and Temples of Boom, although I can't confirm that.

Alchemist got it.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:23 pm

Scott Storch pretty much sucks. His name annoys me, too. A few moments of illness can't make up for a career of lackluster pitter patter.

Alchemist.

Fuckin' A · Post by **Fuckin' A** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:49 pm

Employee wrote:Alchemist.

RAWTALENT · Post by **RAWTALENT** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:00 am

The Alchemist. If Storch ever puts out an instrumental album then maybe he will get my vote.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:43 am

What 80's song did Al sample for "Got It Twisted?"

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:26 pm

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:41 pm

Philaflava wrote:he started out with the roots, but he has done work for mobb, snoop, christina ag, beyonce, rock, busta...man the list is sick. a discography is definitely needed, because i bet once a few peeps see it, they'll wish they could vote over.

Played keys on the Schoolly D album Welcome to America too

But Alchemist's current run >>>

Moolah · Post by **Moolah** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:43 pm

Bumping threads from '04 now???

:fail:

alpha · Post by **alpha** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:00 pm

Moolah wrote:Bumping threads from '04 now???

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:51 am

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:27 am

alpha wrote:
Moolah wrote:Bumping threads from '04 now???

this doc looks really interesting and Storch is an icon of coke dreams but lolz at Emp bumping a thread from 2004 in 2013 to post a Mathew Raggazino freestyle

Rhyme 4 Rhyme · Post by **Rhyme 4 Rhyme** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:15 pm

Insane to think how the perception of these two have changed since '04. Even more, over the years, the view on Storch's contribution to 2001 has decreased.

sleazy_j · Post by **sleazy_j** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:19 pm

So what was SS involvement in 2001?

It seems that Dre works with a lot of people that never get their due praise. I just remember that staged "produced by Dr Dre and Mel Man" pic in the 2001 insert.

I remember reading about some other ghost producer for Dre called "Buddha"??? I think I read about him (Buddha) a long time ago in an interview with Witchdoctor on an album released in the early 2000s.

I also never hear much about Mel Man's transition to Big Cat, of Gucci Mane fame.

Back to Scott Storch always in videos playing piano nowadays, but his biggest hits aren't piano bangers, that's Zaytoven's lane. It seems as though Big Boi is the only major label artist still putting Storch on his albums.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:21 pm

drizzle wrote:
alpha wrote:
Moolah wrote:Bumping threads from '04 now???

this doc looks really interesting and Storch is an icon of coke dreams but lolz at Emp bumping a thread from 2004 in 2013 to post a Mathew Raggazino freestyle

I was being a dick because Scott Storch was the Selecta.

Good to see you're still the CleanHobo of ModLife.

Rhyme 4 Rhyme · Post by **Rhyme 4 Rhyme** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:25 pm

sleazy_j wrote:So what was SS involvement in 2001?

It seems that Dre works with a lot of people that never get their due praise. I just remember that staged "produced by Dr Dre and Mel Man" pic in the 2001 insert.

If you look at the 2001 credits, Storch I believe is only connected to two songs. One being Xplosive.