Rapper of the 90s Final: Redman vs. Nas

Combo7 · Post by **Combo7** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:48 am

Redman: better rapper, better catalogue

B. Ware tha Siniq · Post by **B. Ware tha Siniq** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:52 am

Nas, although on a different day I might vote Redman. Looks like this poll played out well though, these are probably my two favorite rappers from the 90's (who also had extensive enough catalogs in that time period to be considered). If you went by straight albums I could easily see voting for Red. Nas gets it in my mind mainly for Illmatic, It Was Written features before, in and around that era, and the brighter moments on I AM... But Red was definitely more consistent throughout the decade.

Combo7 · Post by **Combo7** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:04 pm

OMG NAS MADE ILLMATIC END OF STORY SON

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:05 pm

nas ftw

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:09 pm

I picked Redman for just the 90s

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:11 pm

I'm picking Nas on the strength of Nastradamus alone.

B. Ware tha Siniq · Post by **B. Ware tha Siniq** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:16 pm

Thun wrote:I'm picking Nas on the strength of Nastradamus alone.

Not the rapper who created a perfect anthropological record of mid-90's Newark?

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:19 pm

redman

it's not that i don't recognize how important and influential and great nas was ('is' might be a stretch), i just enjoy a redman song more when it comes on the headphones these days

Yohan · Post by **Yohan** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:25 pm

Nas.

Nastradamus is just too good of an album to ignore.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:30 pm

drizzle wrote:redman

it's not that i don't recognize how important and influential and great nas was ('is' might be a stretch), i just enjoy a redman song more when it comes on the headphones these days

You can only base votes off material from the 90s, though.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:48 pm

^^that's what i was referring to

not that i'm skipping over halftime when it comes on or anything, i just have more fun with Green Island on

ultimately, red's funloving badass weedhead style appeals to me more than nas's permutation from ghetto poet to escobar to whatever else

Combo7 · Post by **Combo7** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:56 pm

drizzle wrote:not that i'm skipping over halftime when it comes on or anything, i just have more fun with Green Island on

YOU MUST NOT BE AWARE THAT ILLMATIC IS AN ENCHANTED TALISMAN CAPABLE OF NULLIFYING SUCH TRIVIAL CRITIQUES BEFORE THE WORDS EVEN LEAVE YOUR MOUTH. NOW YOU MUST KISS THE ILLMATIC AND FAST FOR FORTY DAYS.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:15 pm

Combo7 wrote:NOW YOU MUST KISS THE ILLMATIC

the horror

the horror

HomeSkillet · Post by **HomeSkillet** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:06 pm

i really like redman

ANU · Post by **ANU** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:19 pm

redman

Req · Post by **Req** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:00 pm

Illmatic and It Was Written winzzzzzzzzz

mud · Post by **mud** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:04 pm

Great to see Reggie making it this far, can't believe he beat Jigga.

Nas wins though, obviously.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:37 pm

The Redman revisionist lobby in this forum is so powerful that it has even advanced the claim that the inevitable backlash against it is a form of revisionism.

WAR IS PEACE. WE WERE NEVER AT WAR WITH EURASIA. REDMAN'S ALBUMS ARE NOT BLOATED AND WEIGHED DOWN BY CHEAP IN HOUSE PRODUCTION.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:43 pm

nas maybe a gun, but redman is a shark with lazers

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:28 pm

Fact: Redman's best album can't even crack the Top 40 albums of the 90's.

Fact: While Redman is a stylistically unique and competent rapper, his albums are sprawling clusterfucks of skits, lackluster filler songs, dated in-jokes, and Erick Sermon detritus.

Fact: Redman's punchlines are considered deep by pothead philosophers, 35 year-old single parents from Brooklyn, and Mountain Dew-addicts.

Fact: The pivotal creative breakthrough of Redman's career was when he realized he could rap as a high-pitched, mischievous alter-ego.

jvg · Post by **jvg** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:31 pm

Since we're only talking 90's, I picked Red. Everything he did during that decade was great while Nas had some missteps. Illmatic alone would've won it for Nas against probably any other rapper, but Muddy Waters is also in my top 15 or so ever

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:33 pm

jvg wrote:Since we're only talking 90's, I picked Red. Everything he did during that decade was great while Nas had some missteps. Illmatic alone would've won it for Nas against probably any other rapper, but Muddy Waters is also in my top 15 or so ever

Fact: This guy only owns 15 including a copy of Merle Haggard's Greatest Hits purchased at a Stop-And-Go in Mesquite, Texas.

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude · Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:34 pm

Extremely biased here as Illmatic is my favorite album of all time so I gotta go with Nas.

jvg · Post by **jvg** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:34 pm

Money Gripp wrote:Fact: Redman's best album can't even crack the Top 40 albums of the 90's.

Fact: While Redman is a stylistically unique and competent rapper, his albums are sprawling clusterfucks of skits, lackluster filler songs, dated in-jokes, and Erick Sermon detritus.

Fact: Redman's punchlines are considered deep by pothead philosophers, 35 year-old single parents from Brooklyn, and Mountain Dew-addicts.

Fact: The pivotal creative breakthrough of Redman's career was when he realized he could rap as a high-pitched, mischievous alter-ego.

To be fair, Nas's breakthrough ($) was when he started sporting pink suits and pretending to be in a mafia

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:37 pm

"Tonight's Da Night" : "New York State of Mind" :: Mr. Wizard : Albert Einstein

B. Ware tha Siniq · Post by **B. Ware tha Siniq** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:40 pm

Money Gripp wrote:Fact: Redman's best album can't even crack the Top 40 albums of the 90's.

In all genres? Or just hip hop?

Cuz I'd argue he had at least two albums that would in my top 40 1990's hip hop albums. And I'd also put Dare Iz A Darkside in my top 10-15 90's rap albums easy. Maybe not "music in general," but I don't listen to that shit anyway.

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:43 pm

B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:
Money Gripp wrote:And I'd also put Dare Iz A Darkside in my top 10-15 90's rap albums easy.

Okay, please post your Top 10-15 90's albums because I'm kind of shocked by this statement.

Mindbender Futurama · Post by **Mindbender Futurama** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:47 pm

Gnozzir

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:48 pm

Money Gripp wrote:Fact: Redman's best album can't even crack the Top 40 albums of the 90's.

Fact: While Redman is a stylistically unique and competent rapper, his albums are sprawling clusterfucks of skits, lackluster filler songs, dated in-jokes, and Erick Sermon detritus.

Fact: Redman's punchlines are considered deep by pothead philosophers, 35 year-old single parents from Brooklyn, and Mountain Dew-addicts.

Fact: The pivotal creative breakthrough of Redman's career was when he realized he could rap as a high-pitched, mischievous alter-ego.

Here's another fact: Redman's cousin Tame One AT HIS PEAK had better lyrics and a more polished flow and more often than not rapped over better beats.