Rappers on PhilaFlava superior to Jay Electronica

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:19 am

hired gun wrote:dont get that started before Harry Hater comes in here.....Oh , by the way did you know I'm in URB Mag..check my sig (see other Jay thread for reference..before I really get accused, lol)

'I SIT ALONE IN MY FOUR-CORNERED ROOM FANTASIZING ABOUT JAY ELECTRONICA."

iCONtheMicKing · Post by **iCONtheMicKing** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:19 am

Employee wrote: You're not even trying to hide your jealousy anymore.

LOL Smiley Face.

Only rapper in the world I'm jealous of is Swizz Beats.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:23 am

iCONtheMicKing wrote:
Employee wrote: You're not even trying to hide your jealousy anymore.

LOL Smiley Face.

Only rapper in the world I'm jealous of is Swizz Beats.

Fuck that dude (

).

Bought a banana-colored Lamborghini and flossed it in videos all the time.

I can't afford a Lamborghini. Fuck his style.

hired gun · Post by **hired gun** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:25 am

iCONtheMicKing wrote:
Employee wrote: You're not even trying to hide your jealousy anymore.

LOL Smiley Face.

Only rapper in the world I'm jealous of is Swizz Beats.

HOOLLLL up. You got an issue with Jay, but you are buggin out about Swizz Beats?

COME'ON SON!

lol

iCONtheMicKing · Post by **iCONtheMicKing** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:33 am

Man y'all really gotta get your priorities in order.

hired gun · Post by **hired gun** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:35 am

iCONtheMicKing wrote:Man y'all really gotta get your priorities in order.

LOL. If ya only knew Mike. If you ever visit Magee, we'll have to actually have a sit down.

Verge · Post by **Verge** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:21 pm

hired gun wrote:Ya know, now that y'all mention it, does anyone see some plug one influence in Jay's style? check "I am I be"

PosDnous wrote:I am Posdnous
I be the new generation of slaves
here to make papes to buy a record exec rakes
the pile of revenue I create
But I guess I don't get a cut cuz my rent's a month late
Product of a North Carolina cat
who scratched the back of a pretty woman named Hattie
Who departed life just a little too soon
and didn't see me grab the Plug Tune fame
As we go a little somethin' like this
look ma, no protection
Now I got a daughter named Ayana Monay
And I can play the cowboy to rustle in the dough
so the scenery is healthy where her eyes lay
I am an early bird but the feathers are black
so the apples that I catch are usually all worms
But it's a must to decipher one's queen
from a worm who plays groupie and spread around the bad germ
I cherish the twilight
I maximize, my soul is the right size
I watch for the power to run out on the moon
(And that'll be sometime soon)
Faker than a fist of kids
speakin that they're black
When they're just niggas trying to be Greek
Or some tongues who lied
and said "We'll be natives to the end"
Nowadays we don't even speak
I guess we got our own life to live
Or is it because we want our own kingdom to rule?
Every now and then I step to the now
for now I see back then I might have acted like a fool
Now I won't apologize for it
This is not a bunch of Bradys
but a bunch of black man's pride
Yet I can safely say
I've never played a sister by touching where her private parts reside
I've always walked the right side of the road
If I wasn't making song I wouldn't be a thug selling drugs
But a man with a plan
and if I was a rug cleaner
betcha Pos'd have the cleanest rugs I am.
The imagery, play on words. The sort of biographical style. Am I reaching?

You're not reaching. The first time I heard Jay Elec, I thought of
Pos and Nas. He definitely was highly influenced by them, but who good wasn't?

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:28 pm

Verge wrote:
hired gun wrote:Ya know, now that y'all mention it, does anyone see some plug one influence in Jay's style? check "I am I be"

PosDnous wrote:I am Posdnous
I be the new generation of slaves
here to make papes to buy a record exec rakes
the pile of revenue I create
But I guess I don't get a cut cuz my rent's a month late
Product of a North Carolina cat
who scratched the back of a pretty woman named Hattie
Who departed life just a little too soon
and didn't see me grab the Plug Tune fame
As we go a little somethin' like this
look ma, no protection
Now I got a daughter named Ayana Monay
And I can play the cowboy to rustle in the dough
so the scenery is healthy where her eyes lay
I am an early bird but the feathers are black
so the apples that I catch are usually all worms
But it's a must to decipher one's queen
from a worm who plays groupie and spread around the bad germ
I cherish the twilight
I maximize, my soul is the right size
I watch for the power to run out on the moon
(And that'll be sometime soon)
Faker than a fist of kids
speakin that they're black
When they're just niggas trying to be Greek
Or some tongues who lied
and said "We'll be natives to the end"
Nowadays we don't even speak
I guess we got our own life to live
Or is it because we want our own kingdom to rule?
Every now and then I step to the now
for now I see back then I might have acted like a fool
Now I won't apologize for it
This is not a bunch of Bradys
but a bunch of black man's pride
Yet I can safely say
I've never played a sister by touching where her private parts reside
I've always walked the right side of the road
If I wasn't making song I wouldn't be a thug selling drugs
But a man with a plan
and if I was a rug cleaner
betcha Pos'd have the cleanest rugs I am.
The imagery, play on words. The sort of biographical style. Am I reaching?
You're not reaching. The first time I heard Jay Elec, I thought of
Pos and Nas. He definitely was highly influenced by them, but who good wasn't?

hired gun · Post by **hired gun** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:32 pm

Verge wrote:
hired gun wrote:Ya know, now that y'all mention it, does anyone see some plug one influence in Jay's style? check "I am I be"

PosDnous wrote:I am Posdnous
I be the new generation of slaves
here to make papes to buy a record exec rakes
the pile of revenue I create
But I guess I don't get a cut cuz my rent's a month late
Product of a North Carolina cat
who scratched the back of a pretty woman named Hattie
Who departed life just a little too soon
and didn't see me grab the Plug Tune fame
As we go a little somethin' like this
look ma, no protection
Now I got a daughter named Ayana Monay
And I can play the cowboy to rustle in the dough
so the scenery is healthy where her eyes lay
I am an early bird but the feathers are black
so the apples that I catch are usually all worms
But it's a must to decipher one's queen
from a worm who plays groupie and spread around the bad germ
I cherish the twilight
I maximize, my soul is the right size
I watch for the power to run out on the moon
(And that'll be sometime soon)
Faker than a fist of kids
speakin that they're black
When they're just niggas trying to be Greek
Or some tongues who lied
and said "We'll be natives to the end"
Nowadays we don't even speak
I guess we got our own life to live
Or is it because we want our own kingdom to rule?
Every now and then I step to the now
for now I see back then I might have acted like a fool
Now I won't apologize for it
This is not a bunch of Bradys
but a bunch of black man's pride
Yet I can safely say
I've never played a sister by touching where her private parts reside
I've always walked the right side of the road
If I wasn't making song I wouldn't be a thug selling drugs
But a man with a plan
and if I was a rug cleaner
betcha Pos'd have the cleanest rugs I am.
The imagery, play on words. The sort of biographical style. Am I reaching?
You're not reaching. The first time I heard Jay Elec, I thought of
Pos and Nas. He definitely was highly influenced by them, but who good wasn't?

Im just saying. Honestly, aside from the fact that he was in one of the greatest groups of all time, I think that Pos (and to a degree because he isn't a legend...) and Jay dont get the love/credit because of what is the expectation of hip hop style.

In this form, we've come to an era where the highest technique is the punchline, at the expense of imagery, cadence, metaphor. That isn't really Pos or Jay's strong suit. Punchline and Presence are king in the art form now. I've said this a lot, punchlines used to be more of a device in a rap, it was a way to insert a joke or exclaim a point in the verse. Now its the whole or most prominent part of the verse. I dont see too many emcees with the writing skill to give you an image, create a mood and use everything, cadence, metaphor, punches, imagery or any set of multiple devices.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:34 pm

Punchlines, and the obsession with them, are childish faggot shit.

hired gun · Post by **hired gun** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:04 pm

Thun wrote:Punchlines, and the obsession with them, are childish faggot shit.

Its just become a style all its own, just like battling. People who deride you as a "boom bap dinosaur" dont understand that emceeing as a form is not just one piece, but many pieces...there aren't a lot of artist who combine them all....and the last few eras of rappers are honed in on, the most disposable and easily transferable aspects, presence and punches. You create aggression more in your posture, then in your actual writing now. Your braggadocio is good enough if you look the part. Kane's style was as much about what he said and how he said as it was how he looked.

Going back again, when you realize its about who *your* character is, their story, or the stories they are going to tell, and how to use the language along with everything else...that is how you have the chance to become "great"

Verge · Post by **Verge** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:09 pm

Employee wrote:
Verge wrote:
hired gun wrote:Ya know, now that y'all mention it, does anyone see some plug one influence in Jay's style? check "I am I be"

PosDnous wrote:I am Posdnous
I be the new generation of slaves
here to make papes to buy a record exec rakes
the pile of revenue I create
But I guess I don't get a cut cuz my rent's a month late
Product of a North Carolina cat
who scratched the back of a pretty woman named Hattie
Who departed life just a little too soon
and didn't see me grab the Plug Tune fame
As we go a little somethin' like this
look ma, no protection
Now I got a daughter named Ayana Monay
And I can play the cowboy to rustle in the dough
so the scenery is healthy where her eyes lay
I am an early bird but the feathers are black
so the apples that I catch are usually all worms
But it's a must to decipher one's queen
from a worm who plays groupie and spread around the bad germ
I cherish the twilight
I maximize, my soul is the right size
I watch for the power to run out on the moon
(And that'll be sometime soon)
Faker than a fist of kids
speakin that they're black
When they're just niggas trying to be Greek
Or some tongues who lied
and said "We'll be natives to the end"
Nowadays we don't even speak
I guess we got our own life to live
Or is it because we want our own kingdom to rule?
Every now and then I step to the now
for now I see back then I might have acted like a fool
Now I won't apologize for it
This is not a bunch of Bradys
but a bunch of black man's pride
Yet I can safely say
I've never played a sister by touching where her private parts reside
I've always walked the right side of the road
If I wasn't making song I wouldn't be a thug selling drugs
But a man with a plan
and if I was a rug cleaner
betcha Pos'd have the cleanest rugs I am.
The imagery, play on words. The sort of biographical style. Am I reaching?
You're not reaching. The first time I heard Jay Elec, I thought of
Pos and Nas. He definitely was highly influenced by them, but who good wasn't?
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every time.
The only possible correct answer.

unbelievable dickhead · Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:10 pm

show me the money like j. mcguire

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:41 pm

jay is dope as fuck. but until he makes an album he cant be fairly judged.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:10 pm

ALASKA wrote:jay is dope as fuck. but until he makes an album he cant be fairly judged.

The moral of the thread. In two concise sentences.

FUCK YOU AND YOUR RATIONALITY, BRO. HIS ALBUM IS NOT ONLY GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME, IT'S GOING TO SOLVE THE JOINT PROBELMS OF CHILD HUNGER AND WORLDWIDE POVERTY.

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:13 pm

Employee wrote:
ALASKA wrote:jay is dope as fuck. but until he makes an album he cant be fairly judged.
The moral of the thread. In two concise sentences.

FUCK YOU AND YOUR RATIONALITY, BRO. HIS ALBUM IS NOT ONLY GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME, IT'S GOING TO SOLVE THE JOINT PROBELMS OF CHILD HUNGER AND WORLDWIDE POVERTY.

i think you are mistaken him with addi "yotmbfuturamamusic" stewart bro

intuition · Post by **intuition** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:17 pm

hired gun wrote: In this form, we've come to an era where the highest technique is the punchline

i don't agree with that at all. i think most people that know rap music write off punchline rappers for what they are. that might be an NY thing or something, cuz I don't know anyone out here that puts any emphasis on punchlines equaling a dope mc (outside of the battle realm, which is basically the wwf of rap at this point).

i've stayed out of this thread but read the whole thing, and just wanted to say i think jay electronica is very very dope. i loved the "wtf is a jay electronica" tape and still listen to it. exhibit C is amazing, everything i've heard from him ranges from "pretty damn good" to "fucking awesome."

i also agree with what timlaska just said...he's been very dope so far, but he could fuck it all up by making a bad album. hopefully he sticks to his formula and picks good beats and it all falls into place.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:30 pm

intuition wrote: I don't know anyone out here that puts any emphasis on punchlines equaling a dope mc (outside of the battle realm, which is basically the wwf of rap at this point).

Seriously?

Everyone on the West Coast identifies the level a rapper's appeal and skill using two measurements (no homo): Punchlines and Eminem-level multi-mania.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say the Punchline MC is more of a presence than any other classification of MC presently existing on the West Coast.

intuition · Post by **intuition** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:41 pm

Employee wrote:
intuition wrote: I don't know anyone out here that puts any emphasis on punchlines equaling a dope mc (outside of the battle realm, which is basically the wwf of rap at this point).
Seriously?

Everyone on the West Coast identifies the level a rapper's appeal and skill using two measurements (no homo): Punchlines and Eminem-level multi-mania.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say the Punchline MC is more of a presence than any other classification of MC presently existing on the West Coast.

i can see the multis thing, and i think that's obnoxious...but punchlines? in songs? i dunno.

maybe i'm out of touch, but it's definitely not an important part of what's happening in LA right now.

well, actually i guess you're right, i wasn't thinking bigger picture and thinking of dudes like wayne and drake who are punchline crazy. but they aren't the type of rapper i think of when i hear "punchline rapper."

point is, jay elec is dope.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:44 pm

intuition wrote:
Employee wrote:
intuition wrote: I don't know anyone out here that puts any emphasis on punchlines equaling a dope mc (outside of the battle realm, which is basically the wwf of rap at this point).
Seriously?

Everyone on the West Coast identifies the level a rapper's appeal and skill using two measurements (no homo): Punchlines and Eminem-level multi-mania.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say the Punchline MC is more of a presence than any other classification of MC presently existing on the West Coast.
i can see the multis thing, and i think that's obnoxious...but punchlines? in songs? i dunno.

maybe i'm out of touch, but it's definitely not an important part of what's happening in LA right now.

well, actually i guess you're right, i wasn't thinking bigger picture and thinking of dudes like wayne and drake who are punchline crazy. but they aren't the type of rapper i think of when i hear "punchline rapper."

point is, jay elec is dope.

Well, L.A. is a universe unto itself and living their is going to give you a far more accurate sense of what is and isn't. But up here in the Bay, it is punchline-multi-justturnedgangsta mania.

Remo the Great · Post by **Remo the Great** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:32 pm

intuition wrote:
hired gun wrote: In this form, we've come to an era where the highest technique is the punchline
i don't agree with that at all. i think most people that know rap music write off punchline rappers for what they are...

How many people in this day and age really know rap music?

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:40 pm

Remo the Great wrote:
intuition wrote:
hired gun wrote: In this form, we've come to an era where the highest technique is the punchline
i don't agree with that at all. i think most people that know rap music write off punchline rappers for what they are...
How many people in this day and age really know rap music?