Name your favorite beat ever

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:35 pm

How does any beat made after say the sampling revolution of '87 age poorly? This artform really isn't that old yet.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:43 pm

Thun wrote:How does any beat made after say the sampling revolution of '87 age poorly? This artform really isn't that old yet.

Drum programing. If it's a sample with a break, i'd say it's pretty much timeless. But once tapped out drums came into the picture (not the Run Dmc kind, i'm speaking more of the early 90's east coast shit), it certainly created
definite era's in how hip hop sounded.
Whether or not it ages poorly is really on the listener though. I listen to tapped out drums from 92 and they still sound fresh to me.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:44 pm

Thun wrote:How does any beat made after say the sampling revolution of '87 age poorly? This artform really isn't that old yet.

1) Not being remastered and still being too "muddy" to have the same sonic impact after you've grown used to improved recording quality.

2) More frequently, being impactful, oft-imitated and inspirational, which eventually can make a once

beat sound kind of amateurish or poorly constructed way after the fact (what happened with Woo-Hah imo -- as well as its video, which like the song was kind of "crazy" at the time but now feels really pedestrian ).

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:46 pm

PopeyeJones wrote:
Thun wrote:How does any beat made after say the sampling revolution of '87 age poorly? This artform really isn't that old yet.
1) Not being remastered and still being too "muddy" to have the same sonic impact after you've grown used to improved recording quality.

2) More frequently, being impactful, oft-imitated and inspirational, which eventually can make a once beat sound kind of amateurish or poorly constructed way after the fact (what happened with Woo-Hah imo -- as well as its video, which like the song was kind of "crazy" at the time but now feels really pedestrian ).

Sounds more like you were just a dumb teenager and you overrated it in the first place.

Moolah · Post by **Moolah** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:47 pm

That Woo-Hah remix sucks compared to the original, imo.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:48 pm

Pete Rock (feat Ghost, Raekwon, and Prodigy) - The Game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn5QF63wjWo

OC - Hypocrite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJKEMvsWhfo

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:49 pm

Blockhead wrote: definite era's in how hip hop sounded.

This too. It's impossible to tell at the time which sounds will remain amazing (read: timeless) and which sounds will go from amazing to always just being good (read:kind of trapped in their era).

(This distinction is also admittedly subjective as fuck)

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:50 pm

PopeyeJones wrote:
Blockhead wrote: definite era's in how hip hop sounded.
This too. It's impossible to tell at the time which sounds will remain amazing (read: timeless) and which sounds will go from amazing to always just being good (read:kind of trapped in their era).

(This distinction is also admittedly subjective as fuck)

Indeed. being a dumb teenager was fucking great, though. FML.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:51 pm

Thun wrote:Sounds more like you were just a dumb teenager and you overrated it in the first place.

Yeah, either that or right at/for the time and wrong in retrospect.

damms · Post by **damms** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:51 pm

Thun wrote:How does any beat made after say the sampling revolution of '87 age poorly? This artform really isn't that old yet.

pick any 1994 beat from some obscure group with a name like poetic dashiki wearing stick up kids with the generic horns, a filtered bassline and the popular choice of the day from Ultimate Breaks and Beats

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:56 pm

At what point are tapped out drum patterns the norm? '92 going into '93?

If so, I would say that the good beats from 'about '89-91 that were entirely break driven still sound fresh to me (although oftentimes the rapping is still on some '87 staccato steez), hell some of them still sound ahead of their time, whereas a whole lot of beats in the '92-'96 era sound painfully trapped in their time.

damms · Post by **damms** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:05 pm

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:07 pm

Thun wrote:At what point are tapped out drum patterns the norm? '92 going into '93?

If so, I would say that the good beats from 'about '89-91 that were entirely break driven still sound fresh to me (although oftentimes the rapping is still on some '87 staccato steez), hell some of them still sound ahead of their time, whereas a whole lot of beats in the '92-'96 era sound painfully trapped in their time.

Yeah, I'd say the early 90's where when the tapped out drum phase took off. Pete rock and post main source Extra p really changed the game with that shit. I actually thought NO ID had some of the best tapped drums ever when "ressurection" came out but that was later.
The break era (which I'd say was "started" by Stezo and the Jungle brothers) was definitely a timeless era for beats. Also, cause they were the first ones unearthing a lot of the samples that became "standards" a few years later.
That said, i remember hearing "Jeep ass nigga" for the first time and losing my shit over the drums. Same with anything "Low end Theory". That was some really ill break chopping that not a lot of people were doing then. And, to me, all that shit sounds great still.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:11 pm

Ah ok, so there really aren't "definite" eras then, as there seems to be a ton of overlap, as well as numerous instances of mixed or intermediate methods.

I doubt I'll ever get t the point where I'm sweating the beatmaking technique. Shit either sounds good or bad to me and if I haven't gone through a "grown man music" metamorphosis a la Ithe, I guess I never will. I'm real low brow when it comes to production.

damms · Post by **damms** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:14 pm

what yall know about this
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Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:17 pm

Thun wrote:Ah ok, so there really aren't "definite" eras then, as there seems to be a ton of overlap, as well as numerous instances of mixed or intermediate methods.

Well, if we really get into it,
87-early 91- mostly breaks
91-94-tapped beat made to sounds like breaks OR the heavy snare reverb tapped drums (Pete rocks specialty)
95-98- tapped drums that sounded more synthetic (this excludes a lot of underground east coast shit cause that genre pretty much stayed in the early/mid 90s mold for ever)
98-2004-tapped drums that were not exactly synthetic but also didn't sound like breaks. Think of the Primo drums that dominated the music back then.
2004-the timbaland/neptunes style drums that bumped but we're more synthetic than anything ever before it.

Obviously, these dates could be not exact as this was completely off the cuff, but I think that's the basic way I saw it. A lot of these era's bleed into each other but i'm just pointing out when certain styles were popularized.

EDIT: Sorry for the nerd out but , you know, I'm into that kinda shit.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:06 pm

^^^^ Nerd out more, please.

(although please not in irl if we ever cross paths)

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:20 pm

Trust, we're not talking rap if we ever meet.
I think I covered it up there. I mean, there are many offshoots that came within those years but I don't even wanna begin to try and verbalize them.

ROSARIO · Post by **ROSARIO** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:27 pm

Req · Post by **Req** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:31 pm

Jayou Ayen · Post by **Jayou Ayen** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:35 pm

Slum Village - Players
Homeliss Derilex - Surviving The Game

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damms · Post by **damms** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:59 pm

Moolah · Post by **Moolah** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:06 pm

Not sure if these have been mentioned yet. Two of my favourite "hard" beats though.

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Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:11 pm

wizeguy · Post by **wizeguy** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:42 am

pe - rebel without a pause

Mo Cheeks · Post by **Mo Cheeks** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:39 am

There is another version that was on tape that was slightly altered that I like better but god damnit its been driving me crazy trying to find it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3tJLi6DkFo

stype_ones · Post by **stype_ones** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:51 am

PopeyeJones wrote:

Edit: At the time, Operation Lockdown too. It's hard to imagine now, but the perfectly integrated pager sample was really great for me as a twelve year old.

No shots fired here, but I'm just feeling old because I was like 17 or 18 when that Heltah Skeltah joint first came out. SMH

CRASH DDZ · Post by **CRASH DDZ** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:18 pm

I got it made - Special Ed
daytona 5000 - raekwon
hip hop - dead prez
pretty ass beat - the oakland fadars
catch a bad one - del

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:44 pm

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:45 pm