Kno has received a cease and desist letter

Nav · Post by **Nav** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:46 am

myself wrote:
Busta Ry wrote:As a guy that hasn't had the opportunity to read the open letter to DOOM that Kno wrote, I'd like to say that I find it to be pretty on point. DOOM needs to get over his social anxiety disorder or whatever the fuck his problem is. Didn't Mos Def call him out on that shit on their dual headline tour not so long ago?
People need to get over shit in general. Get over cancer, AIDS, homosexuality, diabetes, hypertension, schizophrenia, whatever these faggots have. Some deceased rappers need to get over their deaths because they owe internet rap fans new material and good shows.

Wordbork.

Trademark · Post by **Trademark** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:50 am

Just coming in here to say kno has always been an asshole on the Internet. He mocks his fan base, gives himself and his homies tons of props for "saving peoples lives", and now is quitting because a Bork Asian named Chen outed a sample source bringing his world of faggotry down around him. I would say things have come full circle especially if he ends up typing tps reports in a cubicle for the rest of his life.

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:35 am

COOLEHMAGAZINE wrote:Kno's letter was basically saying that DOOM's fuckery [and that is what it was, laziness and fuckery] would end up costing other hip-hop acts when people who are already reluctant to book rappers get burned by a big name like DOOM. The logic was that it just gives them even more reason to become non-rap venues and the result is that it hurts other artists who are actually showing up and doing their shows.

I am a big DOOM fan, but I cannot co-sign stealing from your fan base in quite so disrespectful a fashion. Isn't it enough to put out every beat three times and recycle tracks whenever possible?

As far as Kno's current problem, obviously people are going to do what they want and he apparently acknowledges that but is not going to keep sampling if his own fans dont want to be more discreet. The shortsightedness of online communities is always baffling to me. It's like if back in the day you have a favorite weed spot and you start just telling everyone you see on the street where it's at and posting up signs for where to get that "good dro".

The benefit: meagre and fleeting props
The downside: spot busted and you are back to hiking fifteen blocks uptown to get skimped for some seedy bamboozle

Makes no sense to me, but yeah...the internet yo!

pretty much.

Busta Ry · Post by **Busta Ry** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:39 pm

Trademark wrote:Just coming in here to say kno has always been an asshole on the Internet. He mocks his fan base, gives himself and his homies tons of props for "saving peoples lives", and now is quitting because a Bork Asian named Chen outed a sample source bringing his world of faggotry down around him. I would say things have come full circle especially if he ends up typing tps reports in a cubicle for the rest of his life.

Good that you got that "Asian" point in there. That's an important distinction and doesn't at all contradict your "mocking" point.

The Afronaut · Post by **The Afronaut** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:41 pm

I guess I just need a bit of clarification on this. What are the practical implications of the cease and desist order for Kno and the CLs?

Does this just mean that they can no longer produce copies of the record? Or does it mean, that they WILL be taken to court and have money taken taken from them or what?

Ive seen debate over whether or not samples should be identified, but Im not sure of what the practical consquences of getting caught actually are today.

Busta Ry · Post by **Busta Ry** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:45 pm

COOLEHMAGAZINE wrote:
The Afronaut wrote:
myself wrote:
Busta Ry wrote:As a guy that hasn't had the opportunity to read the open letter to DOOM that Kno wrote, I'd like to say that I find it to be pretty on point. DOOM needs to get over his social anxiety disorder or whatever the fuck his problem is. Didn't Mos Def call him out on that shit on their dual headline tour not so long ago?
People need to get over shit in general. Get over cancer, AIDS, homosexuality, diabetes, hypertension, schizophrenia, whatever these faggots have. Some deceased rappers need to get over their deaths because they owe internet rap fans new material and good shows.
I see your point, but honestly if you have social anxiety issues dont tour. Simple as that.
It really is that simple, but hold up...people really think DOOM was doing all of that because of social anxiety?

Don't have any clue and this is just an assumption. But here's a guy that doesn't show up to his own shows and wears a mask in public, so I don't know if it would be extremely far-fetched. There's obviously something wrong.

zombie · Post by **zombie** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:33 pm

Doesn't DOOM have Irritable Bowel Syndrome?

Cut the guy some slack.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:27 pm

Busta Ry wrote: Don't have any clue and this is just an assumption. But here's a guy that doesn't show up to his own shows and wears a mask in public, so I don't know if it would be extremely far-fetched. There's obviously something wrong.

After we untangle this mystery it's high time we get to the bottom of Brutus Beefcake's fascination with haircutting.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:32 pm

PopeyeJones wrote:
Busta Ry wrote: Don't have any clue and this is just an assumption. But here's a guy that doesn't show up to his own shows and wears a mask in public, so I don't know if it would be extremely far-fetched. There's obviously something wrong.
After we untangle this mystery it's high time we get to the bottom of Brutus Beefcake's fascination with haircutting.

Also, how did Nas manage the problematic transition from human to firearm?

The Afronaut · Post by **The Afronaut** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:38 pm

Thun wrote:Also, how did Nas manage the problematic transition from human to firearm?

Also

Afronaut wrote:I guess I just need a bit of clarification on this. What are the practical implications of the cease and desist order for Kno and the CLs?

Does this just mean that they can no longer produce copies of the record? Or does it mean, that they WILL be taken to court and have money taken taken from them or what?

Ive seen debate over whether or not samples should be identified, but Im not sure of what the practical consquences of getting caught actually are today.

A lil help from anybody who understands these things?

Busta Ry · Post by **Busta Ry** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:48 pm

PopeyeJones wrote:
Busta Ry wrote: Don't have any clue and this is just an assumption. But here's a guy that doesn't show up to his own shows and wears a mask in public, so I don't know if it would be extremely far-fetched. There's obviously something wrong.
After we untangle this mystery it's high time we get to the bottom of Brutus Beefcake's fascination with haircutting.

Seriously! I'm glad you understand what I'm talking about.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:04 pm

Thun wrote:
PopeyeJones wrote:
Busta Ry wrote: Don't have any clue and this is just an assumption. But here's a guy that doesn't show up to his own shows and wears a mask in public, so I don't know if it would be extremely far-fetched. There's obviously something wrong.
After we untangle this mystery it's high time we get to the bottom of Brutus Beefcake's fascination with haircutting.

Also, how did Nas manage the problematic transition from human to firearm?

looks easy, just jump and headnod to da boombap, the rest just kinda happens

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:06 pm

drizzle wrote:
Thun wrote:
PopeyeJones wrote:
Busta Ry wrote: Don't have any clue and this is just an assumption. But here's a guy that doesn't show up to his own shows and wears a mask in public, so I don't know if it would be extremely far-fetched. There's obviously something wrong.
After we untangle this mystery it's high time we get to the bottom of Brutus Beefcake's fascination with haircutting.

Also, how did Nas manage the problematic transition from human to firearm?

looks easy, just jump and headnod to da boombap, the rest just kinda happens

Somebody PLEASE superimpose nas's face onto this gif.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:09 pm

TRM go.

Will do it when I get on a comp w/ photoshop if mike doesn't get there first.

diggy64 · Post by **diggy64** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:12 pm

Not to get nerdcrazy on your assses, but the NET Act (The No Electronic Theft Act) of 1997, "provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement under certain circumstances, even when there is no monetary profit or commercial benefit from the infringement." The fact he wasn't gonna make money off of it is inconsequential. In addition, a plaintiff could easily raise a "dilution of intellectual property" suit in civil court as well.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:15 pm

diggy64 wrote:Not to get nerdcrazy on your assses, but the NET Act (The No Electronic Theft Act) of 1997, "provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement under certain circumstances, even when there is no monetary profit or commercial benefit from the infringement." The fact he wasn't gonna make money off of it is inconsequential. In addition, a plaintiff could easily raise a "dilution of intellectual property" suit in civil court as well.

Hey faggot,

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diggy64 · Post by **diggy64** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:11 pm

Thun wrote:
diggy64 wrote:Not to get nerdcrazy on your assses, but the NET Act (The No Electronic Theft Act) of 1997, "provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement under certain circumstances, even when there is no monetary profit or commercial benefit from the infringement." The fact he wasn't gonna make money off of it is inconsequential. In addition, a plaintiff could easily raise a "dilution of intellectual property" suit in civil court as well.
Hey faggot,

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ROSARIO · Post by **ROSARIO** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:56 pm

why doesnt he just disable comments on youtube?

CHANCE RANDOM · Post by **CHANCE RANDOM** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:33 pm

ROSARIO wrote:why doesnt he just disable comments on youtube?

Then he wouldn't have people telling him how his music saved their lives.

:smugkid:

Mansfield Status · Post by **Mansfield Status** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:34 pm

nothing would make me happier.. than for those clowns to just hang it up.. dig a lil deeper pal.. sorry the moody blues wants their cut..

still illiterate · Post by **still illiterate** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:09 pm

Mansfield Status wrote:nothing would make me happier.. than for those clowns to just hang it up.. dig a lil deeper pal.. sorry the moody blues wants their cut..

perhaps I'm wrong, but you always struck me as the type that would love to expose peoples samples.

Cyn0zure · Post by **Cyn0zure** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:45 pm

The hate on Kno is kind of ridiculous, his rant is no different than the one DJ Premier did on Moment of Truth.

CHANCE RANDOM · Post by **CHANCE RANDOM** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:36 pm

Cyn0zure wrote:The hate on Kno is kind of ridiculous, his rant is no different than the one DJ Premier did on Moment of Truth.

Right, but that was in 1998. A little before YouTube, if I'm not mistaken.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:21 pm

Also I think there is a slight difference from DJ Premier to Kno, just a little.

CHANCE RANDOM · Post by **CHANCE RANDOM** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:34 pm

That too.

Cyn0zure · Post by **Cyn0zure** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:53 pm

Obviously, but the shit they're saying isn't any different.

Combo7 · Post by **Combo7** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:08 pm

Cyn0zure wrote:The hate on Kno is kind of ridiculous, his rant is no different than the one DJ Premier did on Moment of Truth.

Thought the same thing. It is literally the exact same rant. Kno is 110% justified in his anger, and the problem he's addressing has been compounded exponentially over the years by the internet.

But the groupthink on this board is more concerned with an artist like Kno's perceived image than the actual merit behind his argument, so pointing out the obvious parallels here is most likely a waste of time.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:14 pm

Combo7 wrote:
Cyn0zure wrote:The hate on Kno is kind of ridiculous, his rant is no different than the one DJ Premier did on Moment of Truth.

Thought the same thing. It is literally the exact same rant. Kno is 110% justified in his anger, and the problem he's addressing has been compounded exponentially over the years by the internet.

But the groupthink on this board is more concerned with an artist like Kno's perceived image than the actual merit behind his argument, so pointing out the obvious parallels here is most likely a waste of time.

When the consensus on the issue at hand is ENTIRELY irresolute and will be so FOREVER, there's not much more to do than crack jokes.

OMG IT REALLY SUCKS THAT ED KOCH DOESNT WANT DA BLAK YOUFS TO DRAW THEIR NAMEZ ON TRANEZ YO

Trademark · Post by **Trademark** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:19 pm

Busta Ry wrote:
Trademark wrote:Just coming in here to say kno has always been an asshole on the Internet. He mocks his fan base, gives himself and his homies tons of props for "saving peoples lives", and now is quitting because a Bork Asian named Chen outed a sample source bringing his world of faggotry down around him. I would say things have come full circle especially if he ends up typing tps reports in a cubicle for the rest of his life.
Good that you got that "Asian" point in there. That's an important distinction and doesn't at all contradict your "mocking" point.

Oh! Someone has squinty eyes!

COOLEHMAGAZINE · Post by **COOLEHMAGAZINE** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:12 pm

Combo7 wrote:
Cyn0zure wrote:The hate on Kno is kind of ridiculous, his rant is no different than the one DJ Premier did on Moment of Truth.

Thought the same thing. It is literally the exact same rant. Kno is 110% justified in his anger, and the problem he's addressing has been compounded exponentially over the years by the internet.

But the groupthink on this board is more concerned with an artist like Kno's perceived image than the actual merit behind his argument, so pointing out the obvious parallels here is most likely a waste of time.

I honestly didn't think it was even much of a rant. If anything, the tone was fairly muted.

As to the question someone asked about a C&D, basically the lawyers are telling him that they can no longer sell or distribute this music. If he does, they will theoretically sue.