Pete Rock Loses Mind on Lupe

B. Ware tha Siniq · Post by **B. Ware tha Siniq** » Mon May 21, 2012 8:09 pm

Sorry I don't know how to embed tweets. I didn't even know Lupe jacked TROY, that's some fucked up shit.

TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
I think lupe is a great artist, I'm that angry with him but it's a major label idea. I can feel it.

29m Akhil Munagala ‏@mocha_latte12
@PeteRock needs to chill the fuck out. Lupe killed TROY

28m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
@mocha_latte12 STFU!!!!!!

TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
I'm still Dat nigga out here believe it or don't. Ur ignorance not mine, lame duck bullshit.

29m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
That record is dear to me yo fuck deez niggas!!!!

30m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
I'm not flattered @ all. Dat shit is wack, and the producer should be ashamed of his fuckin self. Smh

32m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
U guys have been violated with no Vaseline. So fucked up this business smmfh!!! And I don't care who got something to say about it, kiss my

33m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
So untalented and unoriginal. Makes me feel like I'm truly the best that ever did it. Yo hev and t-Roy I love and miss da shit outta y'all

37m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
This business can be so lame, sometimes I make beats blindfolded with one hand tied behind my back and still these cats can't be original to

TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
Who ever Re-created that didn't do a good job @ all. #nohate

41m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
Man I'm a lupe fan and everything but TROY was my homie man. I think about him and Hev every fucking day!!!! Smh

43m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
It's so hard for folks to make original music, I possess that, but these dudes are scared of that and this is supposed to be HIP HOP?

44m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
Outta anguish and pain. When it's like that it should not be touched by no one!

45m TheRealPeteRock ‏@PeteRock
No disrespect to lupe fiasco and i like him alot but TROY should be left alone. Feel so violated,the beat is next to my heart and was made

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Mon May 21, 2012 8:13 pm

I agree with him

B. Ware tha Siniq · Post by **B. Ware tha Siniq** » Mon May 21, 2012 8:14 pm

Magneto wrote:I agree with him

I do too. There's just some shit that shouldn't be remade. TROY definitely falls in that category.

CRASH DDZ · Post by **CRASH DDZ** » Mon May 21, 2012 8:41 pm

What if he said this about the Blog?

and fuck a lupe with no lube. (pronounced, you know, like, loob-aye)

Req · Post by **Req** » Mon May 21, 2012 9:26 pm

scust@ this dude invoking Hev and Troy's name over this shit. He's not mad someone rapped over it. He's mad no-one gave him a check for it.

Only thing funnier would be if Lupe was signed to Bad Boy.

CHER1 · Post by **CHER1** » Mon May 21, 2012 9:28 pm

Link please.

bbatson1 · Post by **bbatson1** » Mon May 21, 2012 9:33 pm

Didn't Pete and CL both remake it with Journalist in the early 2000's?

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Still. I'm with Pete. They shouldn't touch it without his permission.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Mon May 21, 2012 9:35 pm

Lupe probably just heard Troy for the first time

Req · Post by **Req** » Mon May 21, 2012 9:38 pm

stumbled across this and need a late pass:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.1 ... ts-the-joy

no wonder the sample sounded so horribly outta place to the point it ruined the record.

EichTurner · Post by **EichTurner** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:17 pm

is this it?
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AXEWOUNDFISTER · Post by **AXEWOUNDFISTER** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:37 pm

didn't some on die in the making of troy if not lupe should ha!

Larry2times · Post by **Larry2times** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:40 pm

Philaflava wrote:Lupe probably just heard Troy for the first time

Yeah iirc, he was too busy breaking up knife fights and bumping Spice 1 tapes on the way to Black Israelite meetings back then to listen to the "bitch ass n-bomb" jawnz.

AXEWOUNDFISTER · Post by **AXEWOUNDFISTER** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:40 pm

Req wrote:stumbled across this and need a late pass:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.1 ... ts-the-joy

no wonder the sample sounded so horribly outta place to the point it ruined the record.

yea man this was a while ago, theres actually a interview with sly himself addressing this and talks his relation with kanye and what not.

Brokewax · Post by **Brokewax** » Mon May 21, 2012 10:42 pm

This is what he's talking about

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EichTurner · Post by **EichTurner** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:07 pm

^^ oh, okay that makes much more sense.. yeah i can see that pissing someone off.. its just the song troy in particular.. not to be taken over like that..

Larry2times · Post by **Larry2times** » Mon May 21, 2012 11:58 pm

lol at Guru going on to complain about Lupe using the same sample Solar had used for one of his bangers, ten years after he said

"rap is an art you cant own no loops, its how you hook em up and the rhyme style, troop".

Mindbender Futurama · Tue May 22, 2012 12:14 am

B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:
Magneto wrote:I agree with him
I do too. There's just some shit that shouldn't be remade. TROY definitely falls in that category.

I will never voluntarily listen to that song of Lupe's, on sheer principle.

Fuck, that should just be KNOWN by anyone with a functioning b-boy brain.

YOU DON'T SAMPLE T.R.O.Y. UNLESS YOUR NAME IS CL FUCKING SMOOTH OR PETE ROCK OR YOU ARE HEAVY D OR TROUBLE T-ROY RESURRECTED

sooo happy that Pete said everything necessary. fools MUST get checked in 2012.

RAP IS FUCKING OUT OF CONTROL

sampling 'T.R.O.Y'.

why don't you just remake 'Fight the Power' and steal the original beat without Chuck D's permission... it's not like the song means anything to anyone

Kiran187 · Post by **Kiran187** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:43 am

I get what Pete Rock is saying. T.R.O.Y. is one of my favourite joints and I don't wanna see anybody else sample it or remake it.
But for discussion's sake, how is this different from any producer sampling any other soul/funk/rock/whatever song that's considered a classic and flipping it? What makes this particular song off-limits? It's not like Lupe copied the theme from the original. He's talking his own shit and just using the beat.

chiefbombpro · Post by **chiefbombpro** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:45 am

I think cause it's a direct bite from how P.R. flipped it, just with weaker drums.

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:46 am

Not sure if anyone's familiar with how TROY was made but if you heard the story, you'd really see why Pete Rock is pissed. Not only is it a classic song but its a beat that Pete made when he was a pretty down point in his life. I forgot the whole story butm a few years back, he was on XM for the Dilla tribute with Ma Dukes and Talib Kweli. And somehow, the topic of how he made TROY came up and he explained it. Pretty deep story, IMO.

mike eagle · Post by **mike eagle** » Tue May 22, 2012 12:52 am

ardamus wrote:Not sure if anyone's familiar with how TROY was made but if you heard the story, you'd really see why Pete Rock is pissed. Not only is it a classic song but its a beat that Pete made when he was a pretty down point in his life. I forgot the whole story butm a few years back, he was on XM for the Dilla tribute with Ma Dukes and Talib Kweli. And somehow, the topic of how he made TROY came up and he explained it. Pretty deep story, IMO.

didnt large pro show him that loop?

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Tue May 22, 2012 1:14 am

mike eagle wrote:
ardamus wrote:Not sure if anyone's familiar with how TROY was made but if you heard the story, you'd really see why Pete Rock is pissed. Not only is it a classic song but its a beat that Pete made when he was a pretty down point in his life. I forgot the whole story butm a few years back, he was on XM for the Dilla tribute with Ma Dukes and Talib Kweli. And somehow, the topic of how he made TROY came up and he explained it. Pretty deep story, IMO.
didnt large pro show him that loop?

can't remember who showed him the loop. it might've been Pro. i do know that at the time, i think either someone died in his fam or he was really down about in his life. i need to see if i can find that show because it explained a whole lot.

Brokewax · Post by **Brokewax** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:11 am

ardamus wrote:
mike eagle wrote:
ardamus wrote:Not sure if anyone's familiar with how TROY was made but if you heard the story, you'd really see why Pete Rock is pissed. Not only is it a classic song but its a beat that Pete made when he was a pretty down point in his life. I forgot the whole story butm a few years back, he was on XM for the Dilla tribute with Ma Dukes and Talib Kweli. And somehow, the topic of how he made TROY came up and he explained it. Pretty deep story, IMO.
didnt large pro show him that loop?
can't remember who showed him the loop. it might've been Pro. i do know that at the time, i think either someone died in his fam or he was really down about in his life. i need to see if i can find that show because it explained a whole lot.

In the Deep Crates documentary, Pete said he pulled out the Tom Scott joint when he was at the record store with LP. He told him he had already used it for the "It's A Boy" remix for Slick Rick and that Black Sheep had used it as well.

Explained more in depth here:

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/06/in ... e-over-you

Employer · Post by **Employer** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:57 am

Kiran187 wrote:how is this different from any producer sampling any other soul/funk/rock/whatever song that's considered a classic and flipping it?

It's not, really.

Wasn't there video a few years back of Pete Rock going off at a show while dropping T.R.O.Y. repeatedly, about how that horn loop is what people remember of the song, not C.L. smooth, and he needs to be given more respect or whatever the fuck?

Unless I'm totally inventing that clip in my mind, this is not the first T.R.O.Y. related tear Pete's gone on in public. Musicians make music from a place of strong emotion pretty regularly... I'm sure tons of soul musicians have watched music they felt strongly about get removed from it's context and turned into different songs via sampling.

I don't think there's anything that should be considered automatically 'off limits' as far as sampling and flipping shit, really... the same way comedians should be able to joke about anything, hypothetically.

That said, Lupe wasn't up to the task and didn't do anything too cool with this, and probably deserves some of the shit he's being given for it.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue May 22, 2012 7:25 am

you all do realize petes tone would have changed if it was somebody like raekwon who did this, right? could have had the same execution too.

elohim · Post by **elohim** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:18 am

Really don't care about any of this, more surprised folk don't remember the OG was about Trouble T Roy.

:kanye:

Lupe doesn't care about ATCQ :kanye:

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:30 am

CRASH DDZ wrote:What if he said this about the Blog?

I'd be this guy.

Reason · Post by **Reason** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:31 am

twitter makes my heros sound so lame sometimes. even though im with pete rock here although pitting pete rock vs lupe is like pitting one of my favorite people in the world i don't know vs a faggot i never want to know except for the existence of "gold watch"

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Tue May 22, 2012 8:58 am

Brokewax wrote:
ardamus wrote:
mike eagle wrote:
ardamus wrote:Not sure if anyone's familiar with how TROY was made but if you heard the story, you'd really see why Pete Rock is pissed. Not only is it a classic song but its a beat that Pete made when he was a pretty down point in his life. I forgot the whole story butm a few years back, he was on XM for the Dilla tribute with Ma Dukes and Talib Kweli. And somehow, the topic of how he made TROY came up and he explained it. Pretty deep story, IMO.
didnt large pro show him that loop?
can't remember who showed him the loop. it might've been Pro. i do know that at the time, i think either someone died in his fam or he was really down about in his life. i need to see if i can find that show because it explained a whole lot.

In the Deep Crates documentary, Pete said he pulled out the Tom Scott joint when he was at the record store with LP. He told him he had already used it for the "It's A Boy" remix for Slick Rick and that Black Sheep had used it as well.

Explained more in depth here:

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/06/in ... e-over-you

Yep. That's exactly what it was. Thanks for posting this.

Cash Rulz · Post by **Cash Rulz** » Tue May 22, 2012 9:39 am

Pete's my dude, but fuck outta here. I wonder if Tom Scott feels as strongly. Or if any of the artist he's sampled feel that same way about what he did with there stuff.

Like Req said, he's just mad he didn't get a check. Cause he certainly didn't care that his "deep emotional song" was getting used on a fuckin' video game that had shit do to with deep or emotional.