Scarface says "Hip Hop is white now" and more

[Jaz]

@ a currently working rapper not believing in payola

I've hosted a radio show on a Clear Channel radio station for 7 years. I have to sign a contract every single year stating I've never received payola from a record label or commercial radio promoter. And I'm lying when I sign it. That's all I'm of liberty to say. I'm well aware that payola plays an impact on things getting radio play. A big one, even.

At first.

HOWEVER, if people don't like the song, the song won't last, and will die rather quickly. If a song isn't demanded by listeners/doesn't test well with focus groups, it will not continue getting spins.

Chief Keef is not a part of some white record label executive's elaborate plan to destroy the black community. All the white record label executive does is exploit and rape the preexisting high demand for his music to be played.

World class CEO that has promoted misogyny, racism, sexism and violence and murder for years, this is the asshole to thank for that ignorant piece of shit known as Chief Keef and the "talented" D12 rapping about raping Grandmothers, destroying the black community?...nope just making millions promoting mindless and ignorant bullshit.

Chief Keef was charting on Billboard before Jimmy Iovine signed him. He had nothing to do with Chief Keef blowing up.

He had everything to do with signing that piece of shit for millions though...which in turn gave us talentless ignorant talents like Lil Mouse yes?

[The Afronaut]

Didnt Kendrick Lamar have one of the biggest hip-hop albums of the year last year? How does that fit into the whole conspiracy narrative?

[Philaflava]

I've been this way since 1989 when I heard 3rd Bass for months before their album came out, and I loved them, and was actually shocked to see they were white guys when I first saw the 'Cactus Album' cover.

Seriously?

Yeah I don't think anyone on the planet has ever mistaken Pete Nice or MC Serch as black. The only group that may have caught me by surprise was maybe Profits of Unity until I saw their video. YBT too but I didn't care their color, they were just plain wack.

[GentleJonesReturns]

there is no such thing as white people.

[Mindbender Futurama]

Do y'all really think that pro-black, conscious, political hip-hop isn't getting radio spins because of a conspiracy?

Is it really a conspiracy that a 25 year old black chick wants to hear French Montana on the way to work instead of the latest Public Enemy song? People want to hear music they can tune out, dance to, and sing along with. This applies to ALL RACES.

If you disagree, go to a predominantly black and/or white club tomorrow night and watch how people react to the songs Scarface is suggesting no one actually likes. When Chief Keef "Love Sosa" comes on, the place will erupt.

Bottom. Line.

Kinda sorta. But you don't think that kind of response to what, as an ARTIST, you know are totally different levels of talent and skill and insight?

It's not even really a debate: Scarface is a much more talented rapper than Chief Keef. He has beats, he has rhymes, and he's lived life. He has a record somewhere in his catalog that could satisfy the EXACT same people who enjoy Chief Keef, I refuse to believe otherwise. But why isn't 'Face's record being chosen? Geto Boys MAKES STREET-ASS GANGSTER SHIT. It's not like we're talking about Lupe Fiasco complaining that "Bitch Bad" isn't getting spun in Chicago clubs beside Chief Keef's records. IT'S SCARFACE, the guy who was making an album with BEANIE SIGEL. (So sad they scrapped it )

So whether it's a "Guess Who's Back" or song like "Smile" or even "Never Seen a Man Die", we don't live in a world where EVERYONE ALWAYS wants to escape into a world of ignorant bliss when they press play on their hip hop. Not EVERY black chick wants to ignore the world and only listen to French Montana with Nicki Minaj over the new Public Enemy song with Brother Ali. And if EVERY black chick DOES want to hear French Montana over Public Enemy, then WE KNOW something's fucked up.

We can't justify the bottom line if it keeps hip hop culture in the fucking gutter.

As long as I'm alive, I'll be trying to ELEVATE this culture. That's what we used to do here.

And back in the days: EVERYONE was elevating: white, black, latino, asian. Whether Anticon, Project Blowed, Big Pun, or Invisibl Scratch Piklz, every fucking race and type of person that got into hip hop was EVOLVING, ELEVATING, AND ADVANCING THE SHIT.

NOBODY IS DOING THAT SHIT ANYMORE IN A SERIOUS WAY. Virtually fucking nobody.

[Mindbender Futurama]

Didnt Kendrick Lamar have one of the biggest hip-hop albums of the year last year? How does that fit into the whole conspiracy narrative?

Didn't go platinum. And he's ONE artist. Also, he became hip hop's favorite example of a west coast Saigon or some Nas type shit: intelligent street-hop soaked in violent gangsta philosophy.

Kendrick may not do dirt, but his music is full of guns and drugs and crime that appeals to the exploited. Who else on the entire West Coast is trying to do what Kendrick is doing... and having success?

Ab-Soul and Schoolboy Q are not going to do what Kendrick did, even though I like Ab-Soul's lyrics more. Jay Rock is dope as fuck, but I think people are sleeping on him, kinda... didn't he have an album that should have blown up but didn't? I don't know everything...

Anyways, it's NOT a conspiracy. It's the same fucking thing the god damn American government is doing to Black society: keeping them enslaved and ignorant to the insanity happening everywhere.

Hip hop has always been a reflection of society, this is something we should understand by now.

[Philaflava]

Maybe Thrift Shop just appeals to the mainstream more? If you ask me, most of the hip-hop today isn't white, it's wack.

There are only just a few white people that are dominating the charts. That happens almost every year. But the majority of whats being played is just dumb down Southern influenced shit. God forbid Odd Future have one white member, some of you might kill yourselves.

[Mindbender Futurama]

I've been this way since 1989 when I heard 3rd Bass for months before their album came out, and I loved them, and was actually shocked to see they were white guys when I first saw the 'Cactus Album' cover.

Seriously?

Yeah I don't think anyone on the planet has ever mistaken Pete Nice or MC Serch as black. The only group that may have caught be by surprise was maybe Profits of Unity until I saw their video. YBT too but I didn't care their color, they were just plain wack.

That's fucking easy to say NOW, bro. We KNOW voices, accents, white slang/black slang, plus we've seen pictures, and have evidence from stuff like knowing what kind of names white MCs lean towards, blah blah blah

Were you listening to 3rd Bass in 1988, on a cassette, never having seen their faces? When I heard the Beastie Boys, I KNEW THEY WERE WHITE. AND I DIDN'T LIKE THEM. Not because they were white, but because I didn't take them seriously dropping "License to Ill" when I was filling my brain with KRS-One, Rakim and Chuck D level lyrics. Beastie Boys were wack MCs to me until like 1992.

I was listening to rap in a time where "Mentirosa" was obviously by a Latino MC, because the god damn song didn't have an English title, and had Spanish adlibs. Cassettes, mixtapes, radio shows, and NO MAGAZINES OR INTERNET.

Don't try to punk me off YET AGAIN with some "pssh, EVERYONE knew they were white" shit, Jason. I am living breathing hip hop history, and I find it funny how disrespectful you can subtly be to me.

Thanks for ignoring my request to clarify your slight to me. I'm more than good. I've NEVER BEEN BETTER, actually. Seeing which white and black friends of mine actually give a fuck about absolute truth and hip hop culture, and which ones don't really care that much like it doesn't matter, is a wonderful thing.

PURE EDUTAINMENT.

[Philaflava]

Bender you have been disrespectful since the start of this thread, and it too has to do with your monumental struggles as an artist. And I didn't need to listen to their (3rd Bass) voices to know Serch was white, all I had to do was listen to his LYRICS.

[Mindbender Futurama]

Bender you have been disrespectful since the start of this thread, and it too has to do with your monumental struggles as an artist. And I didn't need to listen to their (3rd Bass) voices to know Serch was white, all I had to do was listen to his LYRICS.

I have not been disrespectful to anyone, bro. Except to the concept of white supremacy, and I got NO LOVE for that shit. All I did was quote Scarface and reference examples in reality. You aren't one of the white people exploiting hip hop are you? So why would you give a fuck when me and Scarface criticize the ones who are?? I don't give a god damn rat's ass, white people are ruining hip hop. Yeah I said it. I also said: BLACK PEOPLE ARE RUINING HIP HOP. This ain't no "either/or" shit. It's not "the youth are stupid and the elders are wise". No, EVERYONE DROPPED THE BALL ON HIP HOP. Old school, new school, need to learn though.

Oh, you guys are cute and funny. Resorting to that old "you struggle underground, Mindbender" shit. Brother, I'm God in the flesh, trying to put that life in rhyme form. Except I live on a planet that's been POISONED BY CHRISTIANITY. I'm perfectly okay with the path I'm on, God. I could never put out another record, and I'm pretty fucking sure YOU ALL would remember who I am, even if you never fucking met me in person.

I'm sure quite a few people would remember me more than many of the musicians that are out now. I barely even want to rap anymore, I practice other art forms and ways to express my heart and my brilliance. But I do put words together still, and wrote 3 verses before I went to bed last night. I'm far from done as Mindbender, but as a pornographer, photographer, culture documentarian and visual artist... I have not yet even begun. I also threw down in the b-boy cipher at the Homeboy Sandman show, and got a surprising amount of love. I AM THE ESSENCE OF HIP HOP in a thousand ways, Jason.

Half of me wants to put the mic down until Jay Electronica makes it cool to think again, but... can't leave rap alone, the game needs me.

Oh, and I literally was listening to 3rd Bass when only "Product of my Environment" and "Gas Face" were 12 inches without videos. No references to whiteness in the lyrics. My blackness remains proud.

[Philaflava]

Didn't you just apologize a week ago? You can have the W. I'm going to watch Calliou with the lil God and enjoy this day. This much I know, Scarface is a top 10, sometimes 5 rapper IMO. He is a well-known manic depressive as The Mayor stated and as an artist he has not had much success in a few years. I do think a lot of what he has to say is right, but in this case I can't help but think his is frustrated for other reasons. Anyone that involved knows how this game works and as far as Jews running it, NOTHING has ever changed in hip-hop. It has and will always be run by Jews. But Jews don't buy the products, they put them out for people like you to buy. The problem isn't with the rappers, its with the people who buy music whether its in physical form or digital these days. That demographic is the problem, because wack music always existed.

[Versive]

Somebody explain how the "rap used to be more intimidating to white people" and "all everyone raps about nowadays is sex and violence" narratives are peacefully co-existing in this thread. This shit's so stupid it hurts to think about.

Also, thank you Scarface and Mindbender and whoever else for continuing to play the blame the Jew game. Funny how you haven't yet realized that this is where we draw our dark sorcery powers from. Mwuhahahahaaaa

Also, what kind of brokeass, retarded, tasteless dicksnorts are actually listening to mainstream radio enough to even bother complaining about it?

[sean]

thread is thread.

[Mindbender Futurama]

Didn't you just apologize a week ago? You can have the W. I'm going to watch Calliou with the lil God and enjoy this day. This much I know, Scarface is a top 10, sometimes 5 rapper IMO. He is a well-known manic depressive as The Mayor stated and as an artist he has not had much success in a few years. I do think a lot of what he has to say is right, but in this case I can't help but think his is frustrated for other reasons. Anyone that involved knows how this game works and as far as Jews running it, NOTHING has ever changed in hip-hop. It has and will always be run by Jews. But Jews don't buy the products, they put them out for people like you to buy. The problem isn't with the rappers, its with the people who buy music whether its in physical form or digital these days. That demographic is the problem, because wack music always existed.

I didn't apologize for being Black or awesome. I will NEVER apologize for that. I apologize for calling people names, which I still have not done anywhere in this thread.

I actually don't agree with Scarface bringing "the Jews" thing into it. You have NEVER ONCE EVER seen me write "the Jews are evil", cause I don't separate Jews from other whites. "Anti-Semitism" isn't a "exotic special blend" of racism, separate from any other hatred. It's pretty much just a POWER AND MONEY ISSUE masquerading as a race issue. And white people in the music industry have ALL the power. Name the MOST RICH AND POWERFUL BLACK MAN IN MUSIC. Puff Daddy? Jay-Z? Baby? Slim? 50 Cent?

ALLLLLL OF THEM are employees of white corporations who PAY THEM the millions they have, that is a FRACTION OF THE BILLIONS THE WHITE CORPORATIONS OWN. And it's not because they are WHITE that they are evil, it's because they are MARKETING AND PROMOTING UNHEALTHY ART that they are evil. Can you name ONE UPLIFTING CHIEF KEEF SONG that Interscope and Jimmy Iovine have put out? Even with Eminem, the biggest artist of the last 15 years, all his singles aren't violent misogyny. THERE IS BALANCE. Eminem's biggest fucking song might be 'Stan', a twisted love ballad with a gentle singing R&B hook, not some violent killfest song. Eminem put out 'Hailie's Song' and 'Cleaning Out My Closet' and 'Mockingbird' and showed emotional range and diversity.

The problem in hip hop is NO FUCKING OPTIONS ARE LEFT. It's make party rap over trap beats or languish in relative obscurity. If Talib Kweli was a new school artist, he'd have TEN TIMES the obstacles to climb. His old music certainly sold better than his new music ever will, and he's got an audience only because he started putting out music around 1998, when "conscious" music still had a chance to make roots.

I agree with you that the demographic is the problem. The internet fucked eveything up, and blogs and labels just want to promote and sell the dumbest, cheapest, easiest stuff now. And that's both RiFF RaFF and Chief Keef. And both of those guys are fucking up the rap game, causing more problems than solutions with their music and mentality towards the culture.

everywhere.

[Mindbender Futurama]

thread is thread.

I always want to know what you think about things, Brother/God Sean.

the people need guidance. the culture needs guidance.

what's next for Atmosphere? and what advice would you give to a young ?

thank you for making a guest appearance in thread is thread.

i feel like a god that has finally been seen by a higher god

[Mindbender Futurama]

Somebody explain how the "rap used to be more intimidating to white people" and "all everyone raps about nowadays is sex and violence" narratives are peacefully co-existing in this thread. This shit's so stupid it hurts to think about.

[ackbar]

a few of you are going way off topic. thread is about how jews (and faggots) control the media & push their agenda down our throats via artists like chief keef, frank ocean & macklemore so they can further breakdown the family structure, alienate visible minorities & assert their racial dominance. sheesh

[ackbar]

which creative, insightful, hardworking rap artists deserve a bigger platform btw?

[Moolah]

http://www.myspace.com/conspiracysbu/mu ... p-71600148

[Hayzoos]

Do y'all really think that pro-black, conscious, political hip-hop isn't getting radio spins because of a conspiracy?

Is it really a conspiracy that a 25 year old black chick wants to hear French Montana on the way to work instead of the latest Public Enemy song? People want to hear music they can tune out, dance to, and sing along with. This applies to ALL RACES.

If you disagree, go to a predominantly black and/or white club tomorrow night and watch how people react to the songs Scarface is suggesting no one actually likes. When Chief Keef "Love Sosa" comes on, the place will erupt.

Bottom. Line.

so why is it that 15/20/25 years ago you could hear Black Moon and Gang Starr on daytime Hot 97 and now you cant? It seems strange that when theres talk about new mainstream shit being wack, people say 'its what the kids want' but years back it seemed 'the kids' were happy with a bit of substance and creativity (along with the more dancey/catchy shit that was getting played alongside it).
Whats changed? There must be more to it than kids being faggots these days. I cant believe all of them only want club joints and pop shit all the time but they arent offered an alternative so dont know any better.

I dont think Face is saying no one likes it, but its back to the old thing of there being no balance. I dont think he'd have as much of a problem with stuff like that being in heavy rotation if music from the other end of the spectrum was getting as much of a push from the majors and mainstream media.

For casual listeners, if you play them some shit often enough and tell them its hot they'll eventually like it. Shit, first time I played 'Crazy In Love' out off the promo no one batted an eyelid - 2 weeks later it was the biggest record in the world and it was getting played 3-4 times a night.

Public Enemy hadnt had a single on daytime radio in the UK (or anywhere I'd guess) until Harder Than You Think got picked up for the Paralympics theme and was getting played on TV every 15 minutes - people started liking it and it charted. If anything gets enough exposure it'll find a wider audience that like it. It doesnt have to be some throwaway club track or whatever.

You're very dumb

[sleazy_j]

which creative, insightful, hardworking rap artists deserve a bigger platform btw?

and why didn't Scarface pick them up when he was running Def Jam South?

Then again, DJS's first major single was Ludacris's "What's Your Fantasy?" (Bangladesh produced that???)

I see Geto Boys are coming to my city. I might go to the show, but I don't know if I feel like being around a crowd of 90% white dudes in their early 30s. I wonder if Face will accept their cash?

Geto Boys performed at the Juggalo Gathering, I don't see why not.

[Career Over Like Mike(NJJ)]

Great thread, lads!

[ardamus]

@ a currently working rapper not believing in payola

I've hosted a radio show on a Clear Channel radio station for 7 years. I have to sign a contract every single year stating I've never received payola from a record label or commercial radio promoter. And I'm lying when I sign it. That's all I'm of liberty to say. I'm well aware that payola plays an impact on things getting radio play. A big one, even.

At first.

HOWEVER, if people don't like the song, the song won't last, and will die rather quickly. If a song isn't demanded by listeners/doesn't test well with focus groups, it will not continue getting spins.

Chief Keef is not a part of some white record label executive's elaborate plan to destroy the black community. All the white record label executive does is exploit and rape the preexisting high demand for his music to be played.

Had to sign the same kinda contract at work and I wasn't even the host of a radio show.

Do y'all really think that pro-black, conscious, political hip-hop isn't getting radio spins because of a conspiracy?

Is it really a conspiracy that a 25 year old black chick wants to hear French Montana on the way to work instead of the latest Public Enemy song? People want to hear music they can tune out, dance to, and sing along with. This applies to ALL RACES.

If you disagree, go to a predominantly black and/or white club tomorrow night and watch how people react to the songs Scarface is suggesting no one actually likes. When Chief Keef "Love Sosa" comes on, the place will erupt.

Bottom. Line.

People think this because, in comparison to the past, there is a disconnect now of hip hop music with a better message being put forth on a commercial hip hop platform. That you can't dispute whether you believe in the "conspiracy" or not. Granted, the conscious/positive rappers aren't perfect but for every Lupe Fiasco there's like 10 muthafuckas that are trying to be Chief Keef/Lil Wayne/etc. which is not balanced at all, IMO. And when you present that on a heavily expansive platform, fans/artists/music execs will see that its the standard and follow suit just to fit in. Music execs see the money money rolling in and go with the pattern and very few times will break from it.

And people may want music to tune out, dance to, and sing along with but it doesn't always have to follow the pattern of what's overrun commercial hip hop for close to 20 years now. Harmless songs that don't talk about lyrical miracles and saving the trees have been party anthems before. But the chances for that to happen come up very slim each time as the years go by.

[Mindbender Futurama]

Great thread, lads!

In the real world, do you help hip hop culture improve in any way, or do you also just talk counterproductive, useless bullshit from the sidelines, like on the internet?

@ a currently working rapper not believing in payola

I've hosted a radio show on a Clear Channel radio station for 7 years. I have to sign a contract every single year stating I've never received payola from a record label or commercial radio promoter. And I'm lying when I sign it. That's all I'm of liberty to say. I'm well aware that payola plays an impact on things getting radio play. A big one, even.

At first.

HOWEVER, if people don't like the song, the song won't last, and will die rather quickly. If a song isn't demanded by listeners/doesn't test well with focus groups, it will not continue getting spins.

Chief Keef is not a part of some white record label executive's elaborate plan to destroy the black community. All the white record label executive does is exploit and rape the preexisting high demand for his music to be played.

Had to sign the same kinda contract at work and I wasn't even the host of a radio show.

Do y'all really think that pro-black, conscious, political hip-hop isn't getting radio spins because of a conspiracy?

Is it really a conspiracy that a 25 year old black chick wants to hear French Montana on the way to work instead of the latest Public Enemy song? People want to hear music they can tune out, dance to, and sing along with. This applies to ALL RACES.

If you disagree, go to a predominantly black and/or white club tomorrow night and watch how people react to the songs Scarface is suggesting no one actually likes. When Chief Keef "Love Sosa" comes on, the place will erupt.

Bottom. Line.

People think this because, in comparison to the past, there is a disconnect now of hip hop music with a better message being put forth on a commercial hip hop platform. That you can't dispute whether you believe in the "conspiracy" or not. Granted, the conscious/positive rappers aren't perfect but for every Lupe Fiasco there's like 10 muthafuckas that are trying to be Chief Keef/Lil Wayne/etc. which is not balanced at all, IMO. And when you present that on a heavily expansive platform, fans/artists/music execs will see that its the standard and follow suit just to fit in. Music execs see the money money rolling in and go with the pattern and very few times will break from it.

And people may want music to tune out, dance to, and sing along with but it doesn't always have to follow the pattern of what's overrun commercial hip hop for close to 20 years now. Harmless songs that don't talk about lyrical miracles and saving the trees have been party anthems before. But the chances for that to happen come up very slim each time as the years go by.

Ardamus with the shoryuken

and it's not even MONEY that a lot of these guys are earning. it's just FAME and visibility. Chief Keef gets a lot of publicity cause he's young and wild and reckless and self-destructive, and that's apparently a better thing to watch grow than the evolution of the career of a dude like KA or Shad or even Roc Marciano, if you will. Gangsta shit and sex doesn't always sell: IT ALWAYS GETS -ATTENTION-. But does it sell? A lot of times, it doesn't.

People be acting like all these thug rappers be doing Fugees numbers. IT'S A FUCKING LIE.

It's just all over the TV. Rick Ross has a couple of gold records, but none platinum. Dude is a cartoon character so he gets a lot of blog love. But he's not near the level of some of his so-called contemporaries. Especially Dr. Dre, Eminem, Jay-Z and 50 Cent. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I love that 50 Cent even said "hip hop has turned into some hipster shit", and that "it's not what it used to be."

but

[sleazy_j]

i'm pretty sure that hip hop has always been some sort of hipster shit, it's just more prevalant now that the internet exists.

rick rubin was really the biggest hipster, who used his parents' money to throw parties and run an underground record label instead of going to class at college.

and if it wasn't for def jam's sales and run dmc and russell simmons all running in the same circles, i doubt that hip hop would have even made it far.

it'd probably be undergound music, barely known like moombahton or skweee or something.

[Cash Rulz]

so why is it that 15/20/25 years ago you could hear Black Moon and Gang Starr on daytime Hot 97 and now you cant? It seems strange that when theres talk about new mainstream shit being wack, people say 'its what the kids want' but years back it seemed 'the kids' were happy with a bit of substance and creativity (along with the more dancey/catchy shit that was getting played alongside it).

Uh, no. That never happened. Maybe before Hot97 existed and it was BLS and Kiss, but even then you heard different shit because hiphop got played for 4 hours a week. Friday 9-11 and Saturday 9-11. When Hot97 came on the scene, all you heard was whatever had a video.

Whats changed? There must be more to it than kids being faggots these days. I cant believe all of them only want club joints and pop shit all the time but they arent offered an alternative so dont know any better.

The people from 15/20/25 years ago got older and no longer relate to hustling, partying, and getting gwop. And nobody wants to hear a bunch of songs about daycare, lack of overtime hours, property taxes and lacrosse matches.

I dont think Face is saying no one likes it, but its back to the old thing of there being no balance. I dont think he'd have as much of a problem with stuff like that being in heavy rotation if music from the other end of the spectrum was getting as much of a push from the majors and mainstream media.

Its not a lack of balance. It's TOO MUCH SHIT. There's good shit out, but you have to weed thru too much shit to get to it.

For casual listeners, if you play them some shit often enough and tell them its hot they'll eventually like it. Shit, first time I played 'Crazy In Love' out off the promo no one batted an eyelid - 2 weeks later it was the biggest record in the world and it was getting played 3-4 times a night.

Public Enemy hadnt had a single on daytime radio in the UK (or anywhere I'd guess) until Harder Than You Think got picked up for the Paralympics theme and was getting played on TV every 15 minutes - people started liking it and it charted. If anything gets enough exposure it'll find a wider audience that like it. It doesnt have to be some throwaway club track or whatever.

This I can agree with.

[Cash Rulz]

He's old. I'm old. I don't like this shit out now cause I can't relate to it. People like the music of their teens because it is the soundtrack of their formative times. But the reality is MOP, NWA, Kool G Rap, Spice 1, and others had music that was about ignorant street shit. We didn't care because at the time, we thought ignorant street shit was cool. When you get 30-something and 10 of your friends have died from ignorant street shit and you're trying to shield your children from ignorant street shit all of a sudden you don't endorse it in the music you listen to.

But mac is right. You go to a club and the ignorant shit is poppin'. People don't want to hear "Room with a View". They want to get low and bounce their ass. The world is not full of smart people. It's primarily populated by ignorant mutha fuckas who's primary concern is their next check and the last thing most of these people want is shit that makes them think about the way they are living. They want to bask in the ignorant glory that is hiphop, r&b and pop. It's the reason why movies about buildings blowing up and 60+ body counts make more money than shit about Amadeus. They want to be entertained, not taught.

[spexxx]

He's old. I'm old. I don't like this shit out now cause I can't relate to it. People like the music of their teens because it is the soundtrack of their formative times. But the reality is MOP, NWA, Kool G Rap, Spice 1, and others had music that was about ignorant street shit. We didn't care because at the time, we thought ignorant street shit was cool. When you get 30-something and 10 of your friends have died from ignorant street shit and you're trying to shield your children from ignorant street shit all of a sudden you don't endorse it in the music you listen to.

But mac is right. You go to a club and the ignorant shit is poppin'. People don't want to hear "Room with a View". They want to get low and bounce their ass. The world is not full of smart people. It's primarily populated by ignorant mutha fuckas who's primary concern is their next check and the last thing most of these people want is shit that makes them think about the way they are living. They want to bask in the ignorant glory that is hiphop, r&b and pop. It's the reason why movies about buildings blowing up and 60+ body counts make more money than shit about Amadeus. They want to be entertained, not taught.

This.All day.

[sleazy_j]

He's old. I'm old. I don't like this shit out now cause I can't relate to it. People like the music of their teens because it is the soundtrack of their formative times. But the reality is MOP, NWA, Kool G Rap, Spice 1, and others had music that was about ignorant street shit. We didn't care because at the time, we thought ignorant street shit was cool. When you get 30-something and 10 of your friends have died from ignorant street shit and you're trying to shield your children from ignorant street shit all of a sudden you don't endorse it in the music you listen to.

But mac is right. You go to a club and the ignorant shit is poppin'. People don't want to hear "Room with a View". They want to get low and bounce their ass. The world is not full of smart people. It's primarily populated by ignorant mutha fuckas who's primary concern is their next check and the last thing most of these people want is shit that makes them think about the way they are living. They want to bask in the ignorant glory that is hiphop, r&b and pop. It's the reason why movies about buildings blowing up and 60+ body counts make more money than shit about Amadeus. They want to be entertained, not taught.

knocked it out the park.

[drizzle]

This thread offered much food for thought, but I fear it got a bit too confusing at times. A lot of heady and information-rich stuff to process here. I think I got it all straightened out though, and since others might have the same trouble with putting it all together as I did, I found this helpful and simple video guide to help them along through the dark and confusing corridors of the conspiracy against hiphop:



EDIT: It appears that the information in this video was so damn powerful and incendiary, the white jew devils at Youtube had to take it down immediately. Luckily there is another link, because truth always finds a way.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/1 ... le-1961302