Biggie vs 2pac - who won lyrically?
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Biggie vs 2pac - who won lyrically?
Fuck with me for a second.
I don't recall this ever being discussed around here.
Who do you feel won this battle?
- consider that Pac actually did fuck Faith and had her sit on his lap in the studio in front of Ray J.
vs
- consider that Biggie & Puff really did hire those Crips to kill 2pac.
"look what you made me do, brains blew...my team in the marine blue six coupe"
I don't recall this ever being discussed around here.
Who do you feel won this battle?
- consider that Pac actually did fuck Faith and had her sit on his lap in the studio in front of Ray J.
vs
- consider that Biggie & Puff really did hire those Crips to kill 2pac.
"look what you made me do, brains blew...my team in the marine blue six coupe"
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My mum says 2Pac won, and she isn't very fond of Biggie for dissing a dead man, although she can appreciate a line like, "bleeding lovely, with your spirit above me, or beneath me".
I let her know Pac was out of control and deserved it.
I let her know Pac was out of control and deserved it.
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Re: Biggie vs 2pac - who won lyrically?
Big, despite the fact he was dead.
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lyrically, BIG no doubt
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Hit em up is legendary, long kiss Goodnight is a barely memorable album cut
Pac got this and it isn't even close
Pac got this and it isn't even close
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While biggie was a far superior rapper it's undeniable that Pac's song was the much harder punch. It's a sucker punch of sorts cause Big never really responded directly but , yeah, it's one of the all time diss tracks to , clearly it wins.
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Biggie was a much better rapper. 2Pac was just more interesting and a slightly better story teller.
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GUCCI CONDOMS wrote: long kiss Goodnight is a barely memorable album cut
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Eh I mean not sure anything is really much more gangster (or foolish) than killing somebody, writing a song about it, and calling it long kiss goodnight... Also nothing more gangster than basically never responding ever... Having him murked... Then writing a song about it clowning him... Got to say... As far as disses idk if it really gets much colder than that... "I fucked your bitch you fat motherfucker"... "I killed your life you bald motherfucker"... Idk the latter seems more vicious to me...
As far as top to bottom lyrically biggie and it's not close... I listen to 2pac more for his songs, storytelling, etc... I absolutely do not listen to him for his mind blowing skills, rather his poetic value... As far as a pick the mic up and emcee standpoint biggie was much better...
"Your face... My feet... They meet... I'm stomping... ripping emcees from Tallahassee to Compton..."
The way he delivered that and every other lyric on ready to die was a level pac never reached... Although old school is prob my favorite song by both... Lyrics? Biggie all day
As far as top to bottom lyrically biggie and it's not close... I listen to 2pac more for his songs, storytelling, etc... I absolutely do not listen to him for his mind blowing skills, rather his poetic value... As far as a pick the mic up and emcee standpoint biggie was much better...
"Your face... My feet... They meet... I'm stomping... ripping emcees from Tallahassee to Compton..."
The way he delivered that and every other lyric on ready to die was a level pac never reached... Although old school is prob my favorite song by both... Lyrics? Biggie all day
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pradadon wrote:GUCCI CONDOMS wrote: long kiss Goodnight is a barely memorable album cut
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hit em up is the greatest dis track that will ever be recorded
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This. Gucci trollin'.gusty wingers wrote:Eh I mean not sure anything is really much more gangster (or foolish) than killing somebody, writing a song about it, and calling it long kiss goodnight... Also nothing more gangster than basically never responding ever... Having him murked... Then writing a song about it clowning him... Got to say... As far as disses idk if it really gets much colder than that... "I fucked your bitch you fat motherfucker"... "I killed your life you bald motherfucker"... Idk the latter seems more vicious to me...
I disagree that Pac is an inferior rapper, though. There are things he did with his flow and delivery that Biggie couldn't do, and vice versa.
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All I can really say is I wish Pac and Big were still alive. One thing we can all agree on is that the soundtrack to our lives would be exponentially better if these guys were around.
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EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:hit em up is the greatest dis track that will ever be recorded
No Vaseline. Something I'm sure you are familiar with.
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No Vaseline is probably the best diss track of all time.. Ether is the only comp..Philaflava wrote:EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:hit em up is the greatest dis track that will ever be recorded
No Vaseline. Something I'm sure you are familiar with.
Ether and Takeover are right there..
The Bitch In Yoo is special, though. In the mid 90's there were not that many joints where an MC point blank called out heads. Stats to Common Sense for that..
The 80's obviously had stuff.. could easily name a dozen joints, probably more, but we're in the 90's here.
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2pac took everything ice cube did and did it better
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it feels better with vaseline my friend (truss)Philaflava wrote:EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:hit em up is the greatest dis track that will ever be recorded
No Vaseline. Something I'm sure you are familiar with.
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IMO, it's gotta be about the song more than the reality of the situation. Hence, Tupac and no it's not close.
That said, greatest diss track of all time is a different thread and fuck it ... by the logic above, 2nd Rd. KO > both of these little diddies.
That said, greatest diss track of all time is a different thread and fuck it ... by the logic above, 2nd Rd. KO > both of these little diddies.
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^The problem with 2nd round knockout is that Canibus made it and he's the worst. Most petty diss track of all time, imo. A best diss track thread would be dope, btw.
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Philaflava wrote:EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:hit em up is the greatest dis track that will ever be recorded
No Vaseline. Something I'm sure you are familiar with.
'No Vaseline' is when it goes too far.
'Hit Em Up' is when it goes WAY too far.
I love Ice Cube like lemonade does (no Beyonce) but Cube didn't channel rhyme fury like Tupac did.
'Long Kiss Goodnight' is a fucking masterpiece though and only shitbird simpletons don't bow to its greatness
I think 'B!tch In Yoo' is more to Cube than 'No Vaseline' was to NWA... but that's just me. KANYESHRUG
'No Vaseline' was though and it was awesome to learn that DJ Yella loved it when he first heard it and admitted Cube won
still... Tupac was the realest, most vicious, most hardcore, least subliminal, most direct, most "these are NOT just words" lyricist probably ever, so he wins
'Long Kiss Goodnight' is one of the best things RZA has ever made though
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Mindbender Futurama wrote: 'Long Kiss Goodnight' is one of the best things true master has ever made though
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Versive wrote:IMO, it's gotta be about the song more than the reality of the situation. Hence, Tupac and no it's not close.
That said, greatest diss track of all time is a different thread and fuck it ... by the logic above, 2nd Rd. KO > both of these little diddies.
but... canibus prematurely terminated his career, got dropped from universal, and made an album as the character stan
and LL did a song with Jlo
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imagine big if he didn't have puff in his corner every waking moment of his rap career.
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Can we take a wee moment to reflect on Mac Dre's underground dis track to Little Bruce where he called Bruce a dirty halfbreed, accused his Korean mother of cooking up cats and dogs, mocked his crippled grandmother, laughed at his dead father and threatened to spit and piss on his tombstone, plz?
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pradadon wrote:All I can really say is I wish Pac and Big were still alive. One thing we can all agree on is that the soundtrack to our lives would be exponentially better if these guys were around.
nah, man. we'd be talking $500 festival tickets to see those dudes. fuck that noise
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I think Pac had already peaked. Big would've ended up falling off or at best gone the Snoop route of popping up with a decent verse on other peoples records here and there
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I can never put Ether on any list with that atrocious beat. It would be better as an acapella.pradadon wrote:No Vaseline is probably the best diss track of all time.. Ether is the only comp..Philaflava wrote:EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:hit em up is the greatest dis track that will ever be recorded
No Vaseline. Something I'm sure you are familiar with.
Ether and Takeover are right there..
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Ice Cube didn't enlist Da Lench Mobb or anyone to help him dismantle NWA. Pac had the Outlawz on 66% of the song rapping like some K-Mart rappers.EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:2pac took everything ice cube did and did it better
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2nd round KO is amazing until that eating ass line comes into play...Blockhead wrote:^The problem with 2nd round knockout is that Canibus made it and he's the worst. Most petty diss track of all time, imo. A best diss track thread would be dope, btw.