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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:16 pm 
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Hip Hop, in terms of albums, is in it's mid 30's. It's crazy that being born in the late 70's, my life's timeline has coincided with the timeline of recorded Hip Hop. Obviously I was too young for the start, but my brother was born in 1973 so I have an advanced experience over some of my friends who are the same age but maybe didn't have that older brother influence. My very first Hip Hop experience, as far as I can remember, is Beat Street ( My Mother took my brother and I to see it in the theater because he was enamored) and the book Subway Art. So I come from an early stage of the game, but to be fair, my first real true awareness of what was really going on didn't come until around 1987-88. Even then I was crazy young, but around my brother and friends so I was very much aware.

My only reason for that bit of information is that I truly can understand how many great albums came out over the last 30 years. Not that others can't appreciate, but I do know from then. That's why my question is top 50. Seems like a lot of albums, but damn, there are hundreds of amazing albums since the mid 80's. If you're in the top 50, you must be something special.

To me, this album is very special and if I ever get around to making a list, I believe this is in the top 50. So unique and creative, so important. 93 Til Infinity the single has to go down as one of the GOAT tracks in Hip Hop History, but for real, the entire album is a magnum opus. Do you agree?

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I'd have to actually write out a list to see, but probably. I'd take Fear Itself over this and maybe No Need For Alarm, but Hiero 93-94 was real special.

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Yeah, amazing.

That's why it kind of hit me cause I was thinking, you can start writing out albums and get to 35-40 in an eye blink. Being in the top 50 is special. Shit, being in the top 100 is special but if it makes the top 50 it's very special.

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I bet if you wrote down all your favorites from 88-95, you'd have way over 100. It adds up quick, especially when you get to 93-94.

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Top 100... When you start thinking of the kool g rap albums, the rakim, the big daddy Kane, the Run dmc, the LL, slick rick, illmatic, ditc, gangstarr, I think it just runs out of room... Classic album though

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Philaflava wrote:
I bet if you wrote down all your favorites from 88-95, you'd have way over 100. It adds up quick, especially when you get to 93-94.


to your point 93 til infinity might not have even been the best album of the day it was released and might not be in the top ten of the fall of 93...the depth back then was utterly insane

as good as 93 is it is not a top 50 album and may not be top 100 which again is mind boggling that an album that great may not crack the top 100 of all time in a genre that had a window of not even 15 years where an album could have come out and contained a reasonable expectation of being better than 93 til infinity is


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I am going to compile a list this week of 100 albums that might be better...

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i actually have every album i own rated in order....about 850ish....but its at home...ill take a peek tonight and see where i have 93....more i think about more it has to be top 100...i wanna say i have it at 60-75?


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i actually have every album i own rated in order....about 850ish....but its at home...ill take a peek tonight and see where i have 93....more i think about more it has to be top 100...i wanna say i have it at 60-75?

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60-75 sounds about right...

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I'm still compiling the list and it isn't even top 75.

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I'm at 106 and I still can't put this album on the list.

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1. Run-DMC - Raising Hell
2. Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full
3. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
4. Beastie Boys - Licensed To Ill
5. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back
6. N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton
7. Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
8. EPMD - Strictly Business
9. Jungle Brothers - Straight Out The Jungle
10. Eric B. & Rakim - Follow The Leader
11. Big Daddy Kane - Long Live The Kane
12. Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
13. De La Soul - 3 Feet High And Rising
14. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better
15. 2 Live Crew - As Nasty As They Wanna Be
16. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
17. Jungle Brothers - Done By The Forces of Nature
18. LL Cool J - Walking With A Panther
19. Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
20. Brand Nubian - One For All
21. Public Enemy - Fear of A Black Planet
22. EPMD - Business As Usual
23. A Tribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths of Rhythm
24. Gang Starr - Step In The Arena
25. Digital Underground - Sex Packets
26. Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo- Wanted: Dead or Alive
27. N.W.A. - Efil4zaggin
28. Ice Cube - Death Certificate
29. A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory
30. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
31. Main Source - Breaking Atoms
32. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
33. Black Sheep - A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing
34. DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name
35. Scarface - Mr. Scarface Is Back
36. Del - I Wish My Brother George Was Here
37. Freestyle Fellowship - To Whom It May Concern
38. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
39. Gang Starr - Daily Operation
40. Redman - Whut? Thee Album
41. Das EFX - Dead Serious
42. Diamond D - Stunts, Blunts & Hip-Hop
43. Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca And The Soul Brother
44. The Pharcyde - Bizaare Ride II The Pharcyde
45. Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo - Live And Let Die
46. Showbiz & A.G. - Runaway Slave
47. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu Tang (36 Chambers)
48. A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
49. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
50. De La Soul - Buhloone Mind State
51. Black Moon - Enta Da Stage
52. KRS-One - Return of The Boom Bap
53. Tha Alkaholiks - 21 & Over
54. Nas - Illmatic
55. Biggie - Ready To Die
56. The Beatnuts - The Beatnuts (Street Level)
57. OutKast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
58. Jeru The Damaja - The Sun Rises In The East
59. Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
60. Common - Resurrection
61. Gang Starr - Hard To Earn
62. O.C. - Word...Life
63. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
64. Pete Rock & CL Smooth - The Main Ingredient
65. The Roots - Do You Want More??!!??!
66. Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside
67. Scarface - The Diary
68. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
69. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
70. GZA - Liquid Swords
71. 2Pac - Me Against The World
72. Group Home - Livin' Proof
73. Smif-N-Wessun - Dah Shinin'
74. Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
75. Nas - It Was Written
76. Ghostface Killah - Ironman
77. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
78. OutKast - ATLiens
79. Fugees - The Score
80. M.O.P. - Firing Squad
81. De La Soul - Stakes Is Hig
82. 2Pac - All Eyez On Me
83. Biggie - Life After Death
84. Capone-N-Noreaga - The War Report
85. Wu Tang Clan - Wu-Tang Forever
86. The Roots - Illadelph Halflife
87. Gang Starr - Moment of Truth
88. OutKast - Aquemini
89. Big Pun - Capital Punishment
90. Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
91. MF Doom - Operation Doomsday
92. Dr. Dre - 2001
93. Eminem - The Slim Shady LP
94. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
95. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
96. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
97. Kanye West - College Dropout
98. Madvillian - Madvilliany
99. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
100. Jay-Z - The Black Album
101. The Roots - Things Fall Apart
102. Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
103. Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City
104. LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out
105. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Return To The 36 Chambers
106. Goodie Mob - Soul Food

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I guess this comes down to the age old scenario where you have to take a step back and ask, am I talking my FAVORITE albums, or am I trying to be objective with my list?

Gloss, I focused on your top 50, because that is the initial question. Objectively, I see your point. When taking all things into consideration, it's hard to argue with your list, of course in no order.

But then I start thinking about it, and I'm like, I can name a few albums on this list that in no way would come before 93 Til for my personal listening pleasure. Not many, though. And that is not to shit on any album you listed. Obviously all amazing and all classic. But I'd rather listen to Souls as a full album than:

License To Ill
As Nasty As They Wanna Be
Walking With A Panther
Dead Serious
Sex Packets
I Wish My Brother George Was Here


If I went your 50-100 I'd probably find a few more too.


Again, all of these albums are essential listening, but I honestly think I would take 93 over those if the limit was 50.

This is what I meant, though. You get to 50 even in an eye blink.

Your list is amazing of course and we all agree every album there is classic in one way or another, but still, for me it is not as easy to keep pushing 93 Til down the list. Agreed with everyone now that I see your list that cracking the top 50 might be hard. I wanted to listen to Live and Let Live last night and of course just let the whole album rock and it just made me think. Had to bring it to :phila: for the discussion.

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Well yea, would I prefer to listen to 93 Til over many of those? Definitely. I can't recall the last time I played License To Ill or any Eminem album, but I feel in hip-hop universe those albums were better and more important. So favs is different than a definitive best. But it's a great question and I thank you for making me do this.

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clark bent wrote:
i actually have every album i own rated in order....about 850ish....but its at home...ill take a peek tonight and see where i have 93....more i think about more it has to be top 100...i wanna say i have it at 60-75?



I think that would be such an interesting list. I'm curious what your 800 - 850 range would look like lol


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I LOVE that list, but Kanye, Kendrick Lmar and Madvillain have no business being on there with those other albums. Shout outs for putting "Firing Squad" and "6 Feet Deep" tho, i love those.

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I LOVE that list, but Kanye, Kendrick Lmar and Madvillain have no business being on there with those other albums. Shout outs for putting "Firing Squad" and "6 Feet Deep" tho, i love those.


90% of the list was pre 95, so towards the end I wanted to add some recent albums. Still, I don't think 93 Til is better than Madvilliany.

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Philaflava wrote:
So favs is different than a definitive best.


totally agree....i do my list without heart or prejudice....i literally rate each song on an album on a 1-10 scale add up the total then divide by the number of songs to come up with a number...i dont consider things like influence....ahead of its time...what it meant to the culture....what it meant to me and what might have been going on in my own life when the album first dropped....etc...

that being said there are factors that come into play which causes me to adjust my list...things like length of album matters....with the way that i do it paid in full for example is way overrated due to it being so short...like is an 8 song album where all the songs are highly rated better than a 15 song album that has 12 highly rated songs but three not so much and those three songs cause the album to drop below a shorter but not as good album...because of this and some other factors i adjust my strictly by the numbers list into my all time favorite albums


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Alrighty then. All this time I thought Wicked was just OCD/mentally retarded for making his lists but come to find out it's like a thing that people do


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clark bent wrote:
i actually have every album i own rated in order....about 850ish....but its at home...ill take a peek tonight and see where i have 93....more i think about more it has to be top 100...i wanna say i have it at 60-75?



I think that would be such an interesting list. I'm curious what your 800 - 850 range would look like lol


my bottom 50 in order from best to worst:

Monie Love In A Word Or 2
Redhead Kingpin And The F.B.I. The Album With No Name
Apache Apache Ain't Shit
Dice Raw Reclaiming The Dead
MC Paul Barman Paullelujah!
Count Bass D Pre Life Crisis
DJ Jazzy Jeff And The Fresh Prince He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper
Prince Markie Dee And The Soul Convention Free
DJ Jazzy Jeff And The Fresh Prince Homebase
Mantronix Music Madness
Jungle Brothers J. Beez Wit The Remedy
Kris Kross Da Bomb
Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock The Incredible Base
Buckshot The BDI Thug
Champ MC Ghetto Flava
Capitol Tax The Swoll Package
All Natural No Additives, No Preservatives
Ice-T Rhyme Pays
Just Ice Gun Talk
Sway & King Tech Concrete Jungle
Heavy D and the Boyz Living Large...
MC Shan Play It Again, Shan
DJ Jazzy Jeff And The Fresh Prince And In This Corner...
Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five On The Strength
MC Hammer Lets Get It Started
Beastie Boys Check Your Head
P.M. Dawn Of The Heart, Of The Soul, Of The Cross: The Utopian Experience
Alkaholiks, Tha X.O. Experience
Dana Dane Rollin Wit Dana Dane
Just Ice The Desolate One
DJ Quik Way 2 Fonky
A+ Hempstead High
Geto Boys Making Trouble
Grouch, The Fuck The Dumb
Ice Cube War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc)
Audio Two I Don't Care, The Album
E-40 In A Major Way
Sha-Key A Head Nadda's Journey To Adidi Skizm
Audio Two What More Can I Say?
MC Hammer Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em
Kurtis Blow Kingdom Blow
J.J. Fad Supersonic
Jungle Brothers V.I.P
Cee-Lo Cee-Lo Green And His Perfect Imperfections
Afros, The Kickin Afrolistics
Mike Ladd Easy Listening 4 Armageddon
P.M. Dawn The Bliss Album
Divine Styler Spiral Walls Containing Autums Of Light
Nubian M.O.B. Nubian M.O.B.
BWP The Bytches
Icy Blu Icy Blu


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I seriously challenge anyone to find a way 93 'Til Infinity makes it on this current list of 75. Just give me 1 album. You can't.

1. Run-DMC - Raising Hell
2. Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full
3. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
4. Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
5. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back
6. N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton
7. Big Daddy Kane - Long Live The Kane
8. EPMD - Strictly Business
9. Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
10. Eric B. & Rakim - Follow The Leader
11. De La Soul - 3 Feet High And Rising
12. Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
13. Brand Nubian - One For All
14. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better
15. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
16. Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
17. Public Enemy - Fear of A Black Planet
18. A Tribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths of Rhythm
19. Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo- Wanted: Dead or Alive
20. Main Source - Breaking Atoms
21. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
22. EPMD - Business As Usual
23. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
24. Gang Starr - Step In The Arena
25. Digital Underground - Sex Packets
26. Nas - Illmatic
27. N.W.A. - Efil4zaggin
28. Ice Cube - Death Certificate
29. A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory
30. Black Sheep - A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing
31. DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name
32. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
33. Gang Starr - Daily Operation
34. Redman - Whut? Thee Album
35. Diamond D - Stunts, Blunts & Hip-Hop
36. Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca And The Soul Brother
37. The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde
38. Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo - Live And Let Die
39. Showbiz & A.G. - Runaway Slave
40. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu Tang (36 Chambers)
41. A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
42. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
43. De La Soul - Buhloone Mind State
44. Black Moon - Enta Da Stage
45. Tha Alkaholiks - 21 & Over
46. Biggie - Life After Death
47. Biggie - Ready To Die
48. The Beatnuts - The Beatnuts (Street Level)
49. OutKast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
50. Jeru The Damaja - The Sun Rises In The East
51. Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
52. Common - Resurrection
53. Gang Starr - Hard To Earn
54. O.C. - Word...Life
55. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
56. Pete Rock & CL Smooth - The Main Ingredient
57. Scarface - The Diary
58. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
59. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
60. GZA - Liquid Swords
61. 2Pac - Me Against The World
62. Group Home - Livin' Proof
63. Smif-N-Wessun - Dah Shinin'
64. Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
65. Nas - It Was Written
66. Ghostface Killah - Ironman
67. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
68. OutKast – ATLiens
69. M.O.P. - Firing Squad
70. De La Soul - Stakes Is High
71. 2Pac - All Eyez On Me
72. Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
73. Capone-N-Noreaga - The War Report
74. Wu Tang Clan - Wu-Tang Forever
75. Gang Starr - Moment of Truth

And if you think I'm playing...

I didn't even list

The Roots - Illadelph Halflife
OutKast – Aquemini
Big Pun - Capital Punishment
MF Doom - Operation Doomsday
Dr. Dre – 2001
Jay-Z - The Blueprint

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i took off a whole bunch that i think 93 is better than but the ones below its easily better than....

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I seriously challenge anyone to find a way 93 'Til Infinity makes it on this current list of 75. Just give me 1 album. You can't.

1. Run-DMC - Raising Hell
9. Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
14. The D.O.C. - No One Can Do It Better
19. Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo- Wanted: Dead or Alive
22. EPMD - Business As Usual
25. Digital Underground - Sex Packets
27. N.W.A. - Efil4zaggin
31. DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name
32. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
38. Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo - Live And Let Die
42. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
57. Scarface - The Diary
61. 2Pac - Me Against The World
62. Group Home - Livin' Proof
69. M.O.P. - Firing Squad
71. 2Pac - All Eyez On Me
73. Capone-N-Noreaga - The War Report
Big Pun - Capital Punishment
Jay-Z - The Blueprint


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If you think it's better than those albums, or even half or even No One Can Do It Better, Doggystyle or The Blueprint, then I'm totally speechless.

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no one can do it better is overrated as hell because of a car crash...its got a significant amount of filler

doggstyle is carried by its handful of admittedly great songs but the rest is meh

for a long time ive tried to convince myself of blueprints classic status but i cant do it and its def not on the same planet as 93 til which has zero weak songs and a lot of great ones with some of the best production ever

i mean this goes back to the favorite v. best thing again but i feel like you overvalue albums because of big names (jay/snoop/dre and d.o.c.) or reputation rather than the actual tracks that they contain...if im wrong on that then i suppose we just have completely different tastes


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i'm not overvaluing them. i think despite how corny Snoop has been since 1995, Doggystyle is one of the best albums made. no way can i see anyone saying 93 Til is better. maybe you overvalue the little guys because they're not as successful or possibly more obscure? i don't know man, but those 3 you mentioned, find me one more person on this planet saying 93 Til is better than them. again, use your mind not your heart with this one because taste shouldn't matter.

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That's dope that you listed your lowest rated ones! I have this bad habit of getting rid of albums that I hate. Like, I had multiple Canibus albums at one point. At age thirty two, that kind of thing would be embarrassing to defend. I probably bought albums somewhere in the 500 - 600 range though, and it's been over a decade since i was really actively buying


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there is no way in hell any Eminem album is better than 93 til...

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One thing I learned from this thread is Clark Bent is serious about this shit. Not playing games.. Icy Blu is likely going to hold a grudge, though. I guess he should be happy to get a mention out of this. lol no clue who that is.

I guess I agree that after analysis SoM is not top 50, but it HAS to be top 100. For me, it is better than Fear Itself and No Need For Alarm at the very least so there's that. I implore everyone to throw it on and listen front to back. So good.

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