Poker play question

[pennsylvania jones]

For those of you who play Hold Em'..

My friends and I play a .50/$1.00 NL cash game every Sunday at my house and last night I won the last hand of the night, but I want your analysis.

Me as a player, I am pretty tight. I play my position, play fairly tight and throw my occasional timely bluff out there (because they know I play tight).
I'm not a donkey.

So last hand comes (and there's 4 of us left, out 8 players to start) Guy under the gun raises it up to $3.00. Followed by 2 callers, and I was last to act. I'm staring at 2c 9c (rags), but it's last hand of the night and I'm getting 4-1 on my money now. I call.

Flop comes: Ac Qc 6h

I'm now on a flush draw with my 2c 9c.

Original raiser, bets $5.00, followed by a call and a fold. Action to me: And now again, I'm getting 3-1 on my money, plus there's already $12 in the pot, plus the two $5 bets. So it costs me $5 on a potential $22 pot. (4-1 on my money). I call. Turn comes a 2c. I hit my flush. Raiser checks, followed by check and me, a check. River comes another blank. 3s. Raiser bets $8.00, followed by a fold and on to me. I raise it to $15
and he sits there just thinking. He finally calls and I tell him I have the flush. (the 2c 9c rag flush) He's pissed. He had top two pair in the AQ.

I try to explain why I called with that crap.

Normally, I wouldn't even consider playing it, but under the circumstances, I was last to act getting 4-1 on my money to see that flop.. etc etc.. It might be donk call, but the situation, I felt, was justified for me to call.

thoughts?

[mud]

Nothing wrong with that play at all.

[eternalreflection]

fold preflop
flop is fine
bet the turn
raise more on the river

and wtf there are 2 2c in the deck?

[pennsylvania jones]

and wtf there are 2 2c in the deck?

typo

[jamrage]

and wtf there are 2 2c in the deck?

typo

I guess I'd be annoyed too if I lost that hand, but I'd understand. I think the fact that it was the last hand of the night really trumps everything else.

When people know it's the last hand they play loose because they want to play. Honestly, normal poker logic doesn't apply because of the situation. You just wanted to gamble and you hit your hand.

I'm sure he wouldn't be complaining if the flop had come 3 diamonds with an Ace and he pocketed your easy money.

BTW, you guys should really play some omaha to mix things up. It's a great pot building game. If you really want to have a good time play omaha Hi/Lo.

[eternalreflection]

Honestly, normal poker logic doesn't apply because of the situation.

well I mean if you don't like $ that is fine, gambling is built entirely on the concept of expected value

basically he's putting in $3 preflop and on average is getting something like $1.5 back(idk probably less but whatever) while a small mistake in an absolute sense, you have the chance to make a mistake like that every hand, so it easily adds up

Vegas was built on taking nickels from people, if you play blackjack you are only losing around 2cents per dollar you bet(provided you follow basic strategy, which most don't and probably lose 5-10c/$1 as a result)

It's a great pot building game. If you really want to have a good time play omaha Hi/Lo.

build big pots then chop them into smaller ones lol, Omaha is fun as long as it is Pot-Limit High

[Nuke]

Well here's my analysis. First of all, I'd have to take into consideration your position when you called. If I was in the blinds or on the button, I may have called if I was feeling lucky. It sounds like you probably had decent position. Honestly though, even on the button, I probably would've folded with no money in the pot. This is probably the only questionable move you made, other than one I'll mention later.

After the flop, with the amount of money in the pot and four to a flush, you pretty much had to call. Now if you didn't hit the club on the turn, I'm curious if you would have called more. I probably would've folded, but that's a lot of money in the pot even though your odds would've been drastically decreased. It was a serious gamble, but paid off.

The only thing I would've done different is overbet the turn. Another club on the river woulda really made you question that 9 high flush and coulda gotten you in trouble. Even if both players folded after your bet, you picked up a nice pot and would avoid potential disaster.

Regardless, if you factor in what other people have as hands, then the call wasn't bad and people need to relax. You probably figured someone had AK, maybe there were pocket 10s in the pot and you probably figured you needed a flush or trips. As long as you factor in what other people have, do what the fuck you want.

[Nuke]

fold preflop
flop is fine
bet the turn
raise more on the river

and wtf there are 2 2c in the deck?

I just saw this. This is a perfect analysis.

[pennsylvania jones]

Everybody called a $1.00 (since it was last hand) except the dude who raised it up to $3.00... at that point.. I was waiting until the other two made their moves. They both called the $3.00... and I was last to act.. I figure if I call, I'm getting 4-1 on my money pre-flop with, albeit, junk.

I hit my club flush on the turn.

I normally do not play junk like that, but it was last hand, and I was priced in being last to act on that $3.00 raise (which the other two called).

I felt justified in it at that point.

[Mansfield Status]

a flush beats 2 pair. of course it was a good call..

[jamrage]

Honestly, normal poker logic doesn't apply because of the situation.

well I mean if you don't like $ that is fine, gambling is built entirely on the concept of expected value

basically he's putting in $3 preflop and on average is getting something like $1.5 back(idk probably less but whatever) while a small mistake in an absolute sense, you have the chance to make a mistake like that every hand, so it easily adds up

Vegas was built on taking nickels from people, if you play blackjack you are only losing around 2cents per dollar you bet(provided you follow basic strategy, which most don't and probably lose 5-10c/$1 as a result)

It's a great pot building game. If you really want to have a good time play omaha Hi/Lo.

build big pots then chop them into smaller ones lol, Omaha is fun as long as it is Pot-Limit High

Well I'm looking at this from the perspective of having a good time with friends, you're looking at this from the super poker I must win as much money as I possibly can at all times angle. Yeah, I know you'll say well that's the point of poker, but I say yeah it's great to win money, but when I'm playing with friends I'm also looking to have a good time.

This is a home game, not a casino where things like "the last hand of the evening" don't really come into play.

Basically we're talking about one hand that he probably wouldn't play if he were in a casino.

[eternalreflection]

yeah i can live with that, key is to realize that you are making it tougher to win $ if that is the goal in the game, then def stop plays like this, if not well then have fun

the turn and river play is really where he's losing money, not sure how deep the stacks were but there was $27 on the turn, so he should be betting something in the 18-25range or so, which if the guy just calls(i'd doubt he folds) you'd have a pot in the 60-70 range and a good sized river bet is 50ish

most people will talk themselves into calling with top2, and he ends up with an extra $50 over the line he took or in other terms a bunch of beer

[Psychosis]

Well, it goes without saying that calling raises with 92s is not a long-term profitable play. That said, on the rare occasion I will play rags. And when I do it's to make a move - to re-raise preflop or to try to steal post.

As far as how you played it after the call, you definitely could've made more money (eternal's line is exactly what I would've done); maybe even gotten the guy's whole stack.

[Psychosis]

This is a home game, not a casino where things like "the last hand of the evening" don't really come into play.

Actually, that happens at several poker rooms/casinos here in Florida. The gambling laws here are real strict; they can only be open for 12 hours (except if it's on an indian reservation). At my usual spot, players sometimes go bonkers during the final hand ... putting in $50 blind preflop. When they first allowed no limit cash games in Florida a couple of years ago, people would go all-in before the flop all the time on the last hand just for the fuck of it.

[jamrage]

This is a home game, not a casino where things like "the last hand of the evening" don't really come into play.

Actually, that happens at several poker rooms/casinos here in Florida. The gambling laws here are real strict; they can only be open for 12 hours (except if it's on an indian reservation). At my usual spot, players sometimes go bonkers during the final hand ... putting in $50 blind preflop. When they first allowed no limit cash games in Florida a couple of years ago, people would go all-in before the flop all the time on the last hand just for the fuck of it.

Crazy.

I've only played in Vegas and Louisiana so this whole casinos closing thing is new to me.

[Psychosis]

This is a home game, not a casino where things like "the last hand of the evening" don't really come into play.

Actually, that happens at several poker rooms/casinos here in Florida. The gambling laws here are real strict; they can only be open for 12 hours (except if it's on an indian reservation). At my usual spot, players sometimes go bonkers during the final hand ... putting in $50 blind preflop. When they first allowed no limit cash games in Florida a couple of years ago, people would go all-in before the flop all the time on the last hand just for the fuck of it.

Crazy.

I've only played in Vegas and Louisiana so this whole casinos closing thing is new to me.

Yeah, the gambling laws suck in this state. But what's even crazier is that they spread a $5-$10 NL game even though the max allowable buy-in is $100. I've sat next to these tables and have heard people with $800 stacks in front of them say they're still down for the night.

How in the world are you supposed to play starting off with 10 big blinds? It's nuts.

[Nl5H]

i think you played it fine. .5/1.00 games, that's going to happen allll the time honestly. actually plays like that occur at every level.. your opponent should have just checked the river actually...but lucky for you he didnt..and lucky for you he didnt have a pair of clubs on his own with at 10 or higher.

[young nova]

lol@ how bad this was played bet turn plz

[Reason]

lol@ how bad this was played bet turn plz

i would've bet turn too

but i like to bet draws instead of call them