2011 NFL Draft/Offseason Thread

The Rapping Coffin · Post by **The Rapping Coffin** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:50 pm

I love when Belichick talks football.

The hot topic in Bill Belichick's afternoon news conference was defense, with chatter on 3-4 and 4-3 alignments.

Belichick took issue when a questioner asked him what endears him so much to the 3-4 defense, pointing out that his Browns teams played a 4-3, and that he's been with teams that won two Super Bowls playing the 4-3.

The alignments have been an early storyline in camp, with the Patriots playing more of a traditional four-man line instead of the 3-4.

"Honestly, most people thought we played a 4-3 at the Giants. Lawrence Taylor did a lot more rushing than he did pass-dropping; probably 80-90 percent of the time he was the rusher in the defense," Belichick said.

"It wasn't always a pass, but certainly in passing situations and a lot of pass plays, he was the designated fourth rusher, which really put us in what amounts to a 4-3.

"Honestly, I think that's something that is a media fabrication. There are a lot of different alignments out there. You see 4-3 teams use odd spacing. You see 3-4 teams use even spacing. You have 11 players, you can put them in various positions. Whether you want to put it on the pre-game depth chart as one thing or another, I think is a little bit overrated.

"You play different fronts, you play different spacing, and you teach the techniques of your defense. That is what consistent, techniques that are taught in different defensive systems, whether those teams go from three-man line to a four-man line, or a four-man line to an odd spacing line, or overs to unders, or unders to overs, or over-wides, whatever you want to call it. They will continue to play the same fundamental techniques as they've been teaching for the entire year, for the most part. I think that's what teaching defensive fundamental football is about. It's about fundamentals. Wherever you put them, you've got to people other people in complementary places, however you decide to do that.

"It's pretty straight-forward really ... It's more the teaching, techniques and fundamentals you teach your defensive players, more than it is the 4-3, 3-4 lineup that is so important to put on the flip card."

peanut butter · Post by **peanut butter** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:25 pm

Tweak Da Leak wrote:
peanut butter wrote:Hey Niners......SIGN SOMEONE!

PEACE
I thought you guys were ecstatic with the Saints center and Carlos Rogers, I heard Cowherd on the morning show say your guys plan is to get a 2-14 record and get Luck, and he said you fans would be fine with the tank job...stay classy san francisco.

Ya know, I was all ready to come in here and call you a faggot. But then you admitted to listening to Colin fucking Cowherd, and just did all my work for me. So thanks for that.

PEACE

Tweak Da Leak · Post by **Tweak Da Leak** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:43 pm

peanut butter wrote:
Tweak Da Leak wrote:
peanut butter wrote:Hey Niners......SIGN SOMEONE!

PEACE
I thought you guys were ecstatic with the Saints center and Carlos Rogers, I heard Cowherd on the morning show say your guys plan is to get a 2-14 record and get Luck, and he said you fans would be fine with the tank job...stay classy san francisco.
Ya know, I was all ready to come in here and call you a faggot. But then you admitted to listening to Colin fucking Cowherd, and just did all my work for me. So thanks for that.

PEACE

Cowherd's a fag but up in norcal its either him or that fat jew bastard Radnich in the morning, and I'm not listening to Radnich talk about the Kardashians and SF football in the morning fagboy.

alpha · Post by **alpha** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:55 pm

Tweak Da Leak wrote:
peanut butter wrote:
Tweak Da Leak wrote:
peanut butter wrote:Hey Niners......SIGN SOMEONE!

PEACE
I thought you guys were ecstatic with the Saints center and Carlos Rogers, I heard Cowherd on the morning show say your guys plan is to get a 2-14 record and get Luck, and he said you fans would be fine with the tank job...stay classy san francisco.
Ya know, I was all ready to come in here and call you a faggot. But then you admitted to listening to Colin fucking Cowherd, and just did all my work for me. So thanks for that.

PEACE
Cowherd's a fag but up in norcal its either him or that fat jew bastard Radnich in the morning, and I'm not listening to Radnich talk about the Kardashians and SF football in the morning fagboy.

good knowledge

Jayou Ayen · Post by **Jayou Ayen** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:17 pm

I've been away for two weeks, but isn't Rome on opposite of Radnich?
I only listen to the Radnich/Bruno face off at 11am, peace to Dan Dibley.

Having been accustomed to getting my sports info on an hourly basis, having the last 16 days worth of NFL developments dropped on me at the same time is information overload. I can't handle this shit, fuck you Al Davis. (as always)

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unclebengi · Post by **unclebengi** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:27 pm

9ers sign Donte Whittner and Braylon Edwards...so much for Luck.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:29 pm

unclebengi wrote:9ers sign Donte Whittner and Braylon Edwards...so much for Luck.

Harbaugh makes quarterbacks. Quarterbacks do not make Harbaugh.

Harbaugh took an absolutely nobody and turned him into the best QB in the history of Div. 2.

Then he took an almost absolute nobody and turned him into the best QB of the year in Div. 1.

Feel the pattern.

(excuse my irrationality plz, but it's just the first nice day as a 9ers fan I've had...well...since we got harbaugh).

ThaJim2 · Post by **ThaJim2** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:49 pm

PopeyeJones wrote:
Then he took an almost absolute nobody and turned him into the best QB of the year in Div. 1.

Luck was a consensus 4 star player from Houston and was the 2nd to 7th QB prospect in the nation. Had offers from just about everyone.

Not that I disagree with your general point that Harbaugh is almost Jimbo Fisher like in coaching QB's.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:50 pm

For those that hate Moss and won't enter that thread.

Randy Moss has been spotted in Philadelphia meeting with representatives from the Philadelphia Eagles at the Capitol Grill tonight according to Howard Eskin of WIP 610. According to reports, the Eagles have been very aggressive in signing Moss despite him filing his retirement papers with the NFL this week, but with Maclin recovering from an undisclosed illness and Desean Jackson still holding out Moss maybe the big name they need to keep the momentum in tact. Insiders predict The Moss signing within a week.

Ramen · Post by **Ramen** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:04 pm

AdamSchefter
49ers committed $16 mil in 2011 to Akers, Rogers, Goodwin, Whitner, Edwards, Williams. Raiders committed $16 mil in 2011 to Michael Huff.

peanut butter · Post by **peanut butter** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:08 pm

alpha wrote:
Tweak Da Leak wrote:
peanut butter wrote:
Tweak Da Leak wrote:
peanut butter wrote:Hey Niners......SIGN SOMEONE!

PEACE
I thought you guys were ecstatic with the Saints center and Carlos Rogers, I heard Cowherd on the morning show say your guys plan is to get a 2-14 record and get Luck, and he said you fans would be fine with the tank job...stay classy san francisco.
Ya know, I was all ready to come in here and call you a faggot. But then you admitted to listening to Colin fucking Cowherd, and just did all my work for me. So thanks for that.

PEACE
Cowherd's a fag but up in norcal its either him or that fat jew bastard Radnich in the morning, and I'm not listening to Radnich talk about the Kardashians and SF football in the morning fagboy.
good knowledge

Points for proper usage. I'm a Rabinovich fan, so I'll admit I'm biased and that I enjoy him (YES) despite his obvious flaws. But it is now real entertaining to hear D Bruce run all over him on what used to be his own show. Great moments in awkward radio history. To that point, this morning Jay Mohr was on and compared The Great Radu to a post-stroke Anthony Hopkins in Legends Of The Fall. Classic. Anyways, thread is now about Bay Area sports radio.

PEACE

peanut butter · Post by **peanut butter** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:16 pm

Got so caught up discussing shit that has nothing to do with anything, I forgot to say that Braylon Edwards is a good signing. I'm not ready to kiss off a 2-14 record just yet. But he's definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully he is able to kick the dropsies, or atleast tone 'em down. And I also hope that he doesn't take a liking to the local watering holes out here the same way he did in NY.

PEACE

Ramen · Post by **Ramen** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:38 pm

Don't really understand the Edwards signing didn't they already do this last year with Ginn?

alpha · Post by **alpha** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:22 pm

Ramen wrote:Don't really understand the Edwards signing didn't they already do this last year with Ginn?

Edwards has actually done something in the league. Ginn has always been more talent than substance.

VideoKilledThe · Post by **VideoKilledThe** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:35 pm

Ginn is clearly just a speedster/return specialist, not much of an actual receiver. Despite the drops, I welcome Edwards with open arms, dude is a playmaker, and gives us a huge red zone target. And we only gave him a one year deal, so if he sucks he's gone.

I love the Donte Whitner pick up.

unclebengi · Post by **unclebengi** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:36 pm

Edwards is big step up from Ginn. As much as I liked to watch Ginn in college he's proven in the NFL that speed is the only attribute that he has. Edwards is a fine receiver, he's just viewed as a disappointment because of his lofty draft status and his off the field activities.

I didn't think the 9ers were that bad even before these signings, so I don't know if the Luck talk was realistic anyway. I could definitely see Harbaugh making this incarnation of the 9ers a playoff team, especially in that division (I like the Rams myself). They need some of their good players to make big jumps though, and even though I think Alex Smith and Crabtree will improve, it's hard to see them becoming elite at this point.

VideoKilledThe · Post by **VideoKilledThe** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:39 pm

please don't ever use the words - Alex Smith, Crabtree, and Elite in the same sentence again

Alex Smith is lucky to have a job in the NFL, and Crabtree is AT BEST a number 2 possession WR. I will admit tho, more times than not he does make the first guy miss, but there are mucho opportunities to do that when you don't have the speed to create separation.

unclebengi · Post by **unclebengi** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:45 pm

Oh I'm with you, I was just alluding to Popeye's excitement at Harbaugh getting his hands on Alex Smith. I think Smith and Crabtree both still have upside at the NFL level, though how much is yet to be determined.

Ramen · Post by **Ramen** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:11 pm

We'll see how everyone feels when Braylon inevitably starts bouncing balls off of his trampoline hands.

still illiterate · Post by **still illiterate** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:17 pm

how much did Whitner get?

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:07 am

unclebengi wrote:Oh I'm with you, I was just alluding to Popeye's excitement at Harbaugh getting his hands on Alex Smith. I think Smith and Crabtree both still have upside at the NFL level, though how much is yet to be determined.

Ah, sorry, I was making reference to you talking about Luck, and the chatter about us going 2-14 and getting Luck.

I was just saying that within that relationship I think Harbaugh is more responsible for Luck's success than Luck is for Harbaugh's success.

(of course it was still a mutually beneficial relationship though).

elohim · Post by **elohim** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:22 am

peanut butter wrote:Hopefully he is able to kick the dropsies, or atleast tone 'em down.

I actually have to semi-defend the Beard on this one. I watched every snap he played last year (all 19 games) and he only had 4 drops all season. Damn near got to 1,000 yds receiving w/ a 'below average' QB. He was actually ranked 12th in drop percentage last year by the oft-reliable Profootballfocus.com. But touche since he still ranks as the worst in the same stat over the past 3 years combined.

Dude will always be haunted by shit like:

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peanut butter wrote:And I also hope that he doesn't take a liking to the local watering holes out here the same way he did in NY.

Now that's a different story. Edwards crew be stabbin bouncers with forks and shit

Not many WR's give a cornerback that's tryna tackle em a concussion, yo:

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"ALL DAY!!!!!!!!" "GET YO ASS UP, NIGGA!!!!!!"

VideoKilledThe · Post by **VideoKilledThe** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:38 am

still illiterate wrote:how much did Whitner get?

49ers add free agent safety Whitner

Former Bills safety Donte Whitner has agreed to a 3-year, $11.75 million deal with the San Francisco 49ers. The deal includes $4 million guaranteed.

also...

The Patriots had former Dolphins LB Channing Crowder in for a physical Thursday, per @ClaytonESPN.

an-also · Post by **an-also** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:42 am

ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Adam Schefter got the first big move of the day, reporting the Raiders agreed with Kevin Boss, four years at $16 million

an-also · Post by **an-also** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:46 am

Adam Schefter
49ers committed $16 mil in 2011 to Akers, Rogers, Goodwin, Whitner, Edwards, Williams. Raiders committed $16 mil in 2011 to Michael Huff.

an-also · Post by **an-also** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:53 pm

Osi now threatening surgery

There is another chapter in the saga that has become Osi Umenyiora and the New York Giants. The next fight in the [Umenyiora] war is apparently going to be the Battle of Wounded Knee. The latest shot was fired Thursday night when the disgruntled defensive end refused to practice because, according to a Giants spokesman, "he says he has a sore knee." Umenyiora also told the Giants he might "need" surgery on that knee to repair a torn meniscus, according to a source familiar with his situation. If he does, it's likely he'd miss at least some regular-season games. Although the Giants had no official comment on Umenyiora's injury, the fact they said "he says" he's injured was a good indication that they don't believe him -- or at least that they're skeptical of the extent of the injury.

New York Daily News

Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... z1UArhbnlB

peanut butter · Post by **peanut butter** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:05 pm

Niners are willing to trade Taylor Mays, apparently

Harbaugh cutting all ties with faggots hailing from the University of Spoiled Children

PEACE

Jayou Ayen · Post by **Jayou Ayen** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:06 pm

peanut butter wrote: Points for proper usage. I'm a Rabinovich fan, so I'll admit I'm biased and that I enjoy him (YES) despite his obvious flaws. But it is now real entertaining to hear D Bruce run all over him on what used to be his own show. Great moments in awkward radio history. To that point, this morning Jay Mohr was on and compared The Great Radu to a post-stroke Anthony Hopkins in Legends Of The Fall. Classic. Anyways, thread is now about Bay Area sports radio.

I didn't understand what you were talking about until this morning.
I'm going to miss the Bruno face off, and I was fine with the way the show was when it was just Gary with P-con and Dibs.
So Damon is doing 7 hrs of Radio a day now?
I have loved Jay Mohr since the first time he appeared on the Jim Rome show.

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peanut butter · Post by **peanut butter** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:15 pm

Jayou Ayen wrote:
peanut butter wrote: Points for proper usage. I'm a Rabinovich fan, so I'll admit I'm biased and that I enjoy him (YES) despite his obvious flaws. But it is now real entertaining to hear D Bruce run all over him on what used to be his own show. Great moments in awkward radio history. To that point, this morning Jay Mohr was on and compared The Great Radu to a post-stroke Anthony Hopkins in Legends Of The Fall. Classic. Anyways, thread is now about Bay Area sports radio.
I didn't understand what you were talking about until this morning.
I'm going to miss the Bruno face off, and I was fine with the way the show was when it was just Gary with P-con and Dibs.
So Damon is doing 7 hrs of Radio a day now?
I have loved Jay Mohr since the first time he appeared on the Jim Rome show.

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The best part of the show so far is taking place right now. Damon is doing his gay lil three play question game with Kate and Gary, but he's asking relevant questions and they are playing along and giving honest answers. It's kinda cool to hear this side of Gary. He also just said he has more than $5 million in the bank today, and has earned over $10 million in the course of his career.

PEACE

capable_keL · Post by **capable_keL** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:54 pm

jay mohr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>