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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:20 pm
by Philaflava
BEST NL MVP ARGUMENTS
Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies A .559 batting average, seven home runs and 10 RBI in his first 10 September games, as well as the potential for the eighth .300-50-150 season in baseball history make Howard the favorite at this point. The problem is that the Phillies are just 5-5 in that span. What also might hurt is Pat Burrell's struggles. As long as Burrell continues on what's now a 1-18 funk, Howard is going to get the Barry Bonds treatment, being walked in just about every situation where he could do damage.
Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals If Howard falters in the last few weeks, Pujols will eclipse him. Despite missing two weeks due to injury, Pujols should end up far surpassing his career highs of 46 home runs and 127 RBI. The reputation as baseball's best clutch hitter (he entered the week hitting .383 with runners in scoring position and .333 in late-inning pressure situations) can only help his case.
Carlos Beltran, CF, Mets Beltran is the best player on the NL's best team and enters the week leading the league in runs scored. He's also the best road player in baseball, entering this week's six-game swing with a .342 batting average, 24 home runs and 75 RBI in 62 road games. That the Mets have been among baseball's best road teams this season has been one of the biggest keys to their success.
Lance Berkman, 1B, Astros Berkman will need a huge surge to push the Astros into the postseason and have any chance, but his numbers actually stack up pretty well. He's off to a good start in September, with a .367 batting average, three home runs and nine RBI entering the week. Berkman has a history of late-season success, particularly in 2005, when he helped Houston reach the postseason by hitting .319 with 11 home runs and 27 RBI that month.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:43 pm
by Icesickle
Motherfuck a Lance Berkman.
I'd be happy with any of the other 3 though.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:22 pm
by Myjah
Peeping Tom wrote:Gregg Popabitch wrote:Myjah wrote:yr gangsta conscience wrote:
and Myjah - 100 fewer at bats, imagine how many HR/RBI he'd have if he hadn't missed that time.
if only mauer were as productive
Mauer bats 3rd, he's not going to get so many RBIs.
in today's baseball, the #3 hitter is usually the teams best hitter and gets alot of RBIs.
yeah think big papi'
stupid myjah dumb cunt
Big papi bats third because the red sox also have Manny. I highly doubt he'd bat 3rd if the Red Sox didn't also have manny (or some other big bat).
Ok, so I don't really know how other teams do it. On the Twins, players who get on-base the most bat 1-3, and the power (or rather more power?) hitters bat 4th and 5th. (1-3 guys get on base so the 4-5 guys can bat them in.) This seems to make the most logical sense to me, so I guess I incorrectly assumed this was how most/all teams did it.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:24 pm
by Psychosis
I stumbled upon the VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) stats leaders:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/stati ... ?cid=99976
Miguel Cabrera surprisingly is the leader in the NL. Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols are
right behind him. Hafner is first in the AL, but he's injured. Jeter is the next one by a good margin over Jermaine Dye.
Johan Santana leads all pitchers by a lot. Carpenter in the NL.
Uggla and Ramirez are basically even for all rookies and have a big lead over the next player.
Josh Johnson leads all NL rookie pitchers.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:39 pm
by Myjah
For you're reading pleasure...
Liriano Activated from DL
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2583711
Brad Radke -- the Anti-Pavano
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ase/060906
Oh, I llooovve how the Twins just started doing what I kept saying they should do--just just relievers the entire game! Who needs starting pitchers when you have an awesome bullpen.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:30 pm
by Gregg Popabitch1
Philaflava wrote:BEST NL MVP ARGUMENTS
Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies A .559 batting average, seven home runs and 10 RBI in his first 10 September games, as well as the potential for the eighth .300-50-150 season in baseball history make Howard the favorite at this point. The problem is that the Phillies are just 5-5 in that span. What also might hurt is Pat Burrell's struggles. As long as Burrell continues on what's now a 1-18 funk, Howard is going to get the Barry Bonds treatment, being walked in just about every situation where he could do damage.
Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals If Howard falters in the last few weeks, Pujols will eclipse him. Despite missing two weeks due to injury, Pujols should end up far surpassing his career highs of 46 home runs and 127 RBI. The reputation as baseball's best clutch hitter (he entered the week hitting .383 with runners in scoring position and .333 in late-inning pressure situations) can only help his case.
Carlos Beltran, CF, Mets Beltran is the best player on the NL's best team and enters the week leading the league in runs scored. He's also the best road player in baseball, entering this week's six-game swing with a .342 batting average, 24 home runs and 75 RBI in 62 road games. That the Mets have been among baseball's best road teams this season has been one of the biggest keys to their success.
Lance Berkman, 1B, Astros Berkman will need a huge surge to push the Astros into the postseason and have any chance, but his numbers actually stack up pretty well. He's off to a good start in September, with a .367 batting average, three home runs and nine RBI entering the week. Berkman has a history of late-season success, particularly in 2005, when he helped Houston reach the postseason by hitting .319 with 11 home runs and 27 RBI that month.
i find it extremely strange how miguel cabrera is not on this list.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:47 pm
by Magneto
Gregg Popabitch wrote:Philaflava wrote:BEST NL MVP ARGUMENTS
Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies A .559 batting average, seven home runs and 10 RBI in his first 10 September games, as well as the potential for the eighth .300-50-150 season in baseball history make Howard the favorite at this point. The problem is that the Phillies are just 5-5 in that span. What also might hurt is Pat Burrell's struggles. As long as Burrell continues on what's now a 1-18 funk, Howard is going to get the Barry Bonds treatment, being walked in just about every situation where he could do damage.
Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals If Howard falters in the last few weeks, Pujols will eclipse him. Despite missing two weeks due to injury, Pujols should end up far surpassing his career highs of 46 home runs and 127 RBI. The reputation as baseball's best clutch hitter (he entered the week hitting .383 with runners in scoring position and .333 in late-inning pressure situations) can only help his case.
Carlos Beltran, CF, Mets Beltran is the best player on the NL's best team and enters the week leading the league in runs scored. He's also the best road player in baseball, entering this week's six-game swing with a .342 batting average, 24 home runs and 75 RBI in 62 road games. That the Mets have been among baseball's best road teams this season has been one of the biggest keys to their success.
Lance Berkman, 1B, Astros Berkman will need a huge surge to push the Astros into the postseason and have any chance, but his numbers actually stack up pretty well. He's off to a good start in September, with a .367 batting average, three home runs and nine RBI entering the week. Berkman has a history of late-season success, particularly in 2005, when he helped Houston reach the postseason by hitting .319 with 11 home runs and 27 RBI that month.
i find it extremely stupid that miguel cabrera is not on this list.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:02 pm
by eternalreflection
Magneto wrote:Gregg Popabitch wrote:Philaflava wrote:BEST NL MVP ARGUMENTS
Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies A .559 batting average, seven home runs and 10 RBI in his first 10 September games, as well as the potential for the eighth .300-50-150 season in baseball history make Howard the favorite at this point. The problem is that the Phillies are just 5-5 in that span. What also might hurt is Pat Burrell's struggles. As long as Burrell continues on what's now a 1-18 funk, Howard is going to get the Barry Bonds treatment, being walked in just about every situation where he could do damage.
Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals If Howard falters in the last few weeks, Pujols will eclipse him. Despite missing two weeks due to injury, Pujols should end up far surpassing his career highs of 46 home runs and 127 RBI. The reputation as baseball's best clutch hitter (he entered the week hitting .383 with runners in scoring position and .333 in late-inning pressure situations) can only help his case.
Carlos Beltran, CF, Mets Beltran is the best player on the NL's best team and enters the week leading the league in runs scored. He's also the best road player in baseball, entering this week's six-game swing with a .342 batting average, 24 home runs and 75 RBI in 62 road games. That the Mets have been among baseball's best road teams this season has been one of the biggest keys to their success.
Lance Berkman, 1B, Astros Berkman will need a huge surge to push the Astros into the postseason and have any chance, but his numbers actually stack up pretty well. He's off to a good start in September, with a .367 batting average, three home runs and nine RBI entering the week. Berkman has a history of late-season success, particularly in 2005, when he helped Houston reach the postseason by hitting .319 with 11 home runs and 27 RBI that month.
i find it extremely stupid that miguel cabrera is not on this list.
well duh his team sucks, obviously
he is having a monster monster year
Mauer was missing from the AL side of the article too, good stuff
unrelated MN 5-1 vs Detroit/Oak in a huge homestand they look very good right now
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:23 pm
by Magneto
HAHAHAHA Pujols got this nigga Lidge SHOOK.
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:41 pm
by eternalreflection
Magneto wrote:HAHAHAHA Pujols got this nigga Lidge SHOOK.
seriously
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:13 am
by Myjah
eternalreflection wrote:Magneto wrote:Gregg Popabitch wrote:Philaflava wrote:BEST NL MVP ARGUMENTS
Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies A .559 batting average, seven home runs and 10 RBI in his first 10 September games, as well as the potential for the eighth .300-50-150 season in baseball history make Howard the favorite at this point. The problem is that the Phillies are just 5-5 in that span. What also might hurt is Pat Burrell's struggles. As long as Burrell continues on what's now a 1-18 funk, Howard is going to get the Barry Bonds treatment, being walked in just about every situation where he could do damage.
Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals If Howard falters in the last few weeks, Pujols will eclipse him. Despite missing two weeks due to injury, Pujols should end up far surpassing his career highs of 46 home runs and 127 RBI. The reputation as baseball's best clutch hitter (he entered the week hitting .383 with runners in scoring position and .333 in late-inning pressure situations) can only help his case.
Carlos Beltran, CF, Mets Beltran is the best player on the NL's best team and enters the week leading the league in runs scored. He's also the best road player in baseball, entering this week's six-game swing with a .342 batting average, 24 home runs and 75 RBI in 62 road games. That the Mets have been among baseball's best road teams this season has been one of the biggest keys to their success.
Lance Berkman, 1B, Astros Berkman will need a huge surge to push the Astros into the postseason and have any chance, but his numbers actually stack up pretty well. He's off to a good start in September, with a .367 batting average, three home runs and nine RBI entering the week. Berkman has a history of late-season success, particularly in 2005, when he helped Houston reach the postseason by hitting .319 with 11 home runs and 27 RBI that month.
i find it extremely stupid that miguel cabrera is not on this list.
well duh his team sucks, obviously
he is having a monster monster year
Mauer was missing from the AL side of the article too, good stuff
unrelated MN 5-1 vs Detroit/Oak in a huge homestand they look very good right now
As far as MVP goes.. Morneau>Mauer. Morneau has been not only better in runs, rbis, etc. etc., but has been hitting better than Mauer since the all-star break
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:29 am
by eternalreflection
As far as MVP goes.. Morneau>Mauer. Bost are agreeing at this point it is between dye and Morneau--whoever leads his team to the playoffs wins!
love affairs with HR/RBI totals has lead to many total fuckups in MVP voting, huge ones include
Juan Gonzalez 96/98(Arod's season was almost 2x better in 96, 98 was ugly as well, but not quite as bad)
Ivan Rodriguez 99(Jeter clearly much better, Nomar also well ahead)
Tejada 02(Arod had a much better year, couple others too)
thats just the AL and just the last decade, other ones were questionable Giambi 00, Ichiro 01
right now currently Jeter is the AL MVP, it could change in the next 18games(well if the season was truely over today I would vote Hafner, but since it isn't, it goes to the next guy down the list, which is Jeter)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:05 am
by jamrage
eternalreflection wrote:Magneto wrote:HAHAHAHA Pujols got this nigga Lidge SHOOK.
seriously
Last night effectively ended the Astros shot at the postseason. They really needed to sweep the Cards, but 2 outta 3 would have been liveable.
Lidge has been a mess all year, he's never been the same since Pujols destroyed him in the playoffs. Probably the hardest hit ball I've ever seen. Apparently Lidge has been tipping his pitches off to hitters this year. Plus I think dude is a big time head case.
I think I'd be okay with moving Lidge if it would help bring in a bat or a quality starting pitcher. Clemens is 99 percent gone again, and Pettitte is a free agent.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:47 pm
by Magneto
Liriano hurts his arm again and has to leave the game. Twins are finished
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:49 pm
by Psychosis
Magneto wrote:Liriano hurts his arm again and has to leave the game. Twins are finished
Wow, there's no way he can pitch again this season.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:50 pm
by Philaflava
Magneto wrote:Liriano hurts his arm again and has to leave the game. Twins are finished
DONE
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:08 pm
by yr gangsta conscience
heh.
not a surprise at all.
they're gonna ruin his career fucking around like this.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:11 pm
by Philaflava
Atleast the A's are smart with Harden.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:25 pm
by Peeping Tom
hahahahahahhahaha stupid fuckin twin dumb ass bastids
ruined their future ace hahahahahhahahha
damn he's done, career over, can we say dusty baker and cubs syndrome!!!
hahaha where's myjah sobbing so i can lick the tears off her face
hahahahahhahahahah
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:26 pm
by eternalreflection
Philaflava wrote:Magneto wrote:Liriano hurts his arm again and has to leave the game. Twins are finished
DONE
he missed the last 4weeks and MN did well
he was dominant in the first 2innings, also its elbow pain not necessarily a big injury, Im sure it was a 0tolerance thing
lets wait for the MRIs before jumping to conclusions
though this isn't exactly the best news
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:36 pm
by blastmaster
Peeping Tom wrote:
hahaha where's myjah sobbing so i can lick the tears off her face
Well said.
Only 28 pitches? Damn.
White Sox still have to win games for any of this to matter at all...
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:49 pm
by Andro
eternalreflection wrote:Philaflava wrote:Magneto wrote:Liriano hurts his arm again and has to leave the game. Twins are finished
DONE
he missed the last 4weeks and MN did well
he was dominant in the first 2innings, also its elbow pain not necessarily a big injury, Im sure it was a 0tolerance thing
lets wait for the MRIs before jumping to conclusions
though this isn't exactly the best news
Exactly.
This board is full of reactionary faggots.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:52 pm
by Peeping Tom
Andro wrote:eternalreflection wrote:Philaflava wrote:Magneto wrote:Liriano hurts his arm again and has to leave the game. Twins are finished
DONE
he missed the last 4weeks and MN did well
he was dominant in the first 2innings, also its elbow pain not necessarily a big injury, Im sure it was a 0tolerance thing
lets wait for the MRIs before jumping to conclusions
though this isn't exactly the best news
Exactly.
This board is full of reactionary faggots.
thats the same thing they said about woods and prior
ehhh its just pain not a big deal
but when you have a history of injury at such a young age it is
fag boy
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:58 pm
by Nl5H
GO A's
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:00 pm
by Peeping Tom
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:01 pm
by Andro
Peeping Tom wrote:Andro wrote:eternalreflection wrote:Philaflava wrote:Magneto wrote:Liriano hurts his arm again and has to leave the game. Twins are finished
DONE
he missed the last 4weeks and MN did well
he was dominant in the first 2innings, also its elbow pain not necessarily a big injury, Im sure it was a 0tolerance thing
lets wait for the MRIs before jumping to conclusions
though this isn't exactly the best news
Exactly.
This board is full of reactionary faggots.
thats the same thing they said about woods and prior
ehhh its just pain not a big deal
but when you have a history of injury at such a young age it is
fag boy
Actually Im not really referring to that. It could be a mojor issue in the future, and I think he's for sure done for this year.
I'm referring to people saying the Twins are done.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:05 pm
by blastmaster
They may not be 'done' as far as getting to the playoffs is concerned, but good luck in the playoffs without Liriano or Radke.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:07 pm
by yr gangsta conscience
yeah, I'd have to agree.
the twins can still quite easily make the playoffs, however without liriano I don't think they'd make it very far.
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:09 pm
by Peeping Tom
Andro wrote:Peeping Tom wrote:Andro wrote:eternalreflection wrote:Philaflava wrote:
DONE
he missed the last 4weeks and MN did well
he was dominant in the first 2innings, also its elbow pain not necessarily a big injury, Im sure it was a 0tolerance thing
lets wait for the MRIs before jumping to conclusions
though this isn't exactly the best news
Exactly.
This board is full of reactionary faggots.
thats the same thing they said about woods and prior
ehhh its just pain not a big deal
but when you have a history of injury at such a young age it is
fag boy
Actually Im not really referring to that. It could be a mojor issue in the future, and I think he's for sure done for this year.
I'm referring to people saying the Twins are done.
oh ma bad
they'll prolly make teh playoffs, but be damned without those two aces to set up the first two wins
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:26 pm
by eternalreflection
yr gangsta conscience wrote:yeah, I'd have to agree.
the twins can still quite easily make the playoffs, however without liriano I don't think they'd make it very far.
5-1 last 6games
vs Detroit, Oakland 2 very likely playoff teams, NYY def. will be tough, but they are obviously the favorite right now
Santana only pitched 1game of those, it def. hurts the chances but this is a really good team