Jay Cutler Saga, The Mega Thread. (Bears Get Cutler)
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Jay Cutler Saga, The Mega Thread. (Bears Get Cutler)
????????? They tried to get Matt Cassell and trade Cutler. Huh?
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To answer your question: because he sucks.
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New coaches always want to bring new guys in.
I'm not surprised, but they should be pissed the news got out. Let's be real, almost nobody is untouchable in the NFL. If someone had offered a very good deal they would have made the trade. They obviously didn't get a good enough offer so they didn't trade him.
I'm not surprised, but they should be pissed the news got out. Let's be real, almost nobody is untouchable in the NFL. If someone had offered a very good deal they would have made the trade. They obviously didn't get a good enough offer so they didn't trade him.
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The story is pretty awesome.
Belichek is such a complete dick that I can't help but respect it. Pioli is his boy, but the ingrates who assisted him by just doing what he said and turning that into head coaching jobs (prematurely) can suck it.Why would Pats turn down 12th pick for Cassel?
March 1, 2009 12:25 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham
Circumstances surrounding the Matt Cassel trade keep getting curiouser and curiouser.
The more we learn, the more inexplicable it gets.
The New England Patriots sent Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs for the 34th overall selection in this year's draft, compensation that seemed a little weak on the surface.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen has since reported there was a much better offer on the table, that the Patriots passed on the 12th overall pick in a three-way trade that would've sent Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
The Patriots did business with Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who for the previous nine years worked closely with Bill Belichick in the Patriots' front office. It must be noted new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels was Belichick's offensive coordinator in New England.
Mort and I have exchanged a few e-mails on the subject. Here is how he broke down the proposed three-way deal:
This one defies logic, but a source I really trust tells me it's true: The Broncos were willing to offer their own first-round pick (12th overall) to the Patriots for Cassel. Obviously, it was conditional upon Cutler being traded and Tampa Bay was the most likely destination, the Bucs willing to part with their first- and third-round picks.
But Belichick never embraced a trade with the Broncos, even though it was a head-scratcher on the value part (second-rounder versus a first-rounder). It suggests two or three speculative thoughts:
Belichick has always valued second-round picks (he now has three) and didn't want to be stuck at No. 12 financially for whatever reason;
Belichick had an agreement with Pioli all along and wouldn't break his word;
Belichick isn't about to help another former assistant.
The Broncos sensed resistance all along, which is why they held the Bucs, Lions, Vikings, etc., at arm's length and allows McDaniels his plausible deniability on trading Cutler (and logic supports his denial).
However, despite intense efforts to keep this run at Cassel under wraps, enough damage has been done that Cutler may now be on the block.
The Broncos/Cutler aspect of the trade was reported by the Boston Globe. A Patriots' leak? Why? To mess with McDaniels?
Mort is correct. The information is astounding.
Several citizens of Patriot Nation have written into my AFC East mailbag and left notes in the comments section that Belichick didn't want a first-round pick for Cassel, that a second-rounder is more financially palatable.
Ridiculous, I say. The Patriots had the No. 10 pick last year and were highly successful with it, selecting defensive rookie of the year Jerod Mayo, a franchise player who could anchor their defense for the next decade.
The No. 12 pick is a commodity. The Patriots might've traded it for additional picks, dangling it on draft day to a team that has the hots for, say, quarterback Mark Sanchez, and don't want him to get away.
Mort left me with one last thought:
It is also interesting that Pioli made the trade without doing a deal with Cassel. This puts a lot of leverage on Cassel's side going forward. Then again, Pioli probably sensed Cassel would have preferred McDaniels and the Broncos for all the obvious reasons, which may have influenced negotiations in Cassel's favor anyway. AFC West rivalry revived here.
That's a lot to think about.
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If you're a denver fan, the upside is that you still have a probowl QB.
And if he is unhappy and ghey and it affects his play, then fuck him. QBs used to have to go through adversity. So with the diabetes, and now this, the dude should mature and be a leader instead of a whiner.
I would choose to look at it that way. You won't know until you see it.
What maybe should make you leak out a bit of pee pee is the combined record of those that leave Belichek. But even that isn't SO bad.
And if he is unhappy and ghey and it affects his play, then fuck him. QBs used to have to go through adversity. So with the diabetes, and now this, the dude should mature and be a leader instead of a whiner.
I would choose to look at it that way. You won't know until you see it.
What maybe should make you leak out a bit of pee pee is the combined record of those that leave Belichek. But even that isn't SO bad.
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looks like the story is fairly fucking far from being over.
REPORT: VIKINGS INTERESTED IN CUTLER
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 1:46 p.m.
With Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler officially declaring that coach Josh McDaniels is no longer his גBFF,ג the question becomes whether the Broncos will resume efforts to trade the disgruntled three-year pass-thrower.
Buried in an item from Mike Klis of the Denver Post is a disclosure that the Lions and the Vikings are interested in Cutler. (Presumably, the Buccaneers are still willing to talk turkey, too.)
The Lions already had been disclosed as a potentially interested team, but the Vikings are the eyebrow-raiser.
Though the Vikings already have traded for, and extended the contract of, quarterback Sage Rosenfels, a Cutler-Sage depth chart would look a lot better to Minnesota fans that the forgettable Tarvaris-Frerotte pairing of 2008 ג not to mention the nightmarish Jackson-Holcomb-Bollinger revolving door from the prior season.
The question is whether the Vikes would pull the trigger, and what it would take to get Cutler from Denver. After sending a first-round pick and two third-round picks to Kansas City for defensive end Jared Allen last year, trading away another first-round pick would undermine the teamגs ability to continue its effort to develop a nucleus of solid young players.
Then again, a quarterback can play for a long time, and franchise quarterbacks like Cutler rarely are available.
Meanwhile, Rosenfelsג three-year, $9 million deal doesnגt scream out גstarter money,ג which would give the Vikings the ability to pay Cutler.
And since heגs under contract for at least two more years (weגre assuming that 2011 is voidable), the Vikes would have time to get a long-term deal done, and in the interim would absorb manageable base salaries of $1.03 million and $1.42 million. (That said, there could be bonuses and escalators that drive up those numbers considerably.)
The question is whether the Vikings think they need both a franchise quarterback and a franchise running back. Based on the acquisition of Rosenfels, the answer apparently is, גNo.ג But with the career of coach Brad Childress hinging on what the team does in 2009, it makes sense to at least explore what it would take to pry Cutler away from the Broncos, especially at a time when Cutler is clamoring to get out.
While Rosenfels could take the Vikings to places they havenגt been in a long, long time, the chances of Cutler getting it done are considerably greater.
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i'm really surprised to hear a bronco fan say that. Cutler seems to have all the physical tools to be a a very good QB. You don't cut ties with a player like that.Orale Holmes wrote:I hope his cry-baby ass is gone by draft day...I'll take a year to get the QB situation straight, than deal with his vagina being hurt.
As a HUGE Broncos Fan - Bring on any other QB!
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my uncle has been a die hard broncos fan since before i was even born and he also wants cutlers whiny bitchass gone. says he doesnt have the heart and complains rather than just going out there and getting the job done.still illiterate wrote:i'm really surprised to hear a bronco fan say that. Cutler seems to have all the physical tools to be a a very good QB. You don't cut ties with a player like that.Orale Holmes wrote:I hope his cry-baby ass is gone by draft day...I'll take a year to get the QB situation straight, than deal with his vagina being hurt.
As a HUGE Broncos Fan - Bring on any other QB!
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