Gregg Pop's place in History?

[Gregg Popabitch]

He is 9th in total regular season wins with 967 however he has the 4th best regular season win percentage of all time at .686 (only Larry Bird, Bill Cunningham, and Phil Jackson have a higher career win percentage). He is third in playoff wins behind Phil Jackson and Pat Riley with 149 wins. He has a .623 playoff winning percentage which ranks as 7th behind Phil Jackson, Paul Westhead, Erik Spoelstra, Butch Von Breda Kolff, John Kundla, and Billy Cunningham (though it is tough to take Westhead and Von Bred Kolff seriously since they were only in the playoffs twice). He is now tied for third in NBA championships with Pat Riley and John Kundla and behind Red Auerebach and Phil Jackson.

He's stayed with the same team for 18 seasons. He's won championships with a similar group of players but with a couple of different styles of play.

It is tough to compare him to other coaches in eras before our generation(s). So we will try to compare him to the coaches in our lifetimes. Where does he rank for you? Has he surpassed Pat Riley? Has he surpassed Phil Jackson in your opinion?

A separate but similar question: would you rather have Pop coach your team than either of these guys?

[Kid That's Lifeless]

He hasn't surpassed Phil, but I'd rather have him as my coach. If that makes sense.

[Cash Rulz]

Surpassed Riley but not Phil. The only reason I say that is because of what Phil did with the Lakers in getting that group to work together is nothing short of miraculous.

If I had a team of dudes who got along well, then yes I would want him. If the team was made of dudes, then definitely Phil.

[Gregg Popabitch]

He hasn't surpassed Phil, but I'd rather have him as my coach. If that makes sense.

It makes sense because you think Phil has had a better career.

I feel like Phil has been somewhat underrated by the fact that he's had MJ, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. He's coaxed some good seasons out of some damaged players and even some usefulness from players that I never thought would be useful or never though would be useful ever again.

Also, I don't think Pat Riley should be underrated either. He's coached two completely different styles of offensive play and has won championships with two different teams. He's also achieved 60 win seasons with three different teams which is an extremely rare feat. I don't think any coach in our generation has ever done that let alone done it in NBA history.

[capable_keL]

Pops has done more with what he has had to work with than Phil. In my mind he has surpassed everyone despite what your numbers tell you to think

[Philaflava]

Surpassed Riley but not Phil. The only reason I say that is because of what Phil did with the Lakers in getting that group to work together is nothing short of miraculous.

Yup. You gotta give credit for more than just team. If Pop did something with another unit and won, then we could have this discussion.

[naturalborn103]

I'm riding with Pop. I didn't get to see Riley's Lakers, so I can't comment on him.

Pop has won with WAY less then Phil Jackson. Even though Pop has coached the same team the whole time, he has also coached and won with completely different styles. Phil Jackson has pretty much ran with triangle the entire time. Also, if you are giving Phil Jackson credit for being a psychiatrist you do have to hold against him the way some of his Laker's teams fell apart (The hall of fame team vs. Pistons and way they went out vs Dallas) and the Kobe/Shaq feud.

[Philaflava]

Jackson had 2 top 50 players he coached on the bulls.
He had 2 top 50 players he coached on the Lakers.

I don't know about any of you, but TP is becoming more and more like a top 15-20 PG of all-time. To my count, Pop had 3 HOF players, one the greatest PF of all-time and the other two possibly top 60-70 players of all-time too

[Hayzoos]

It will be interesting to see what happens when Duncan retires, and if Pop decides to stay how he adjusts the team.

[Tweak Da Leak]

Jackson had 2 top 50 players he coached on the bulls.
He had 2 top 50 players he coached on the Lakers.

I don't know about any of you, but TP is becoming more and more like a top 15-20 PG of all-time. To my count, Pop had 3 HOF players, one the greatest PF of all-time and the other two possibly top 60-70 players of all-time too

What did you rate Pau during the Lakers 2nd run with Phil?

[peanut butter]

I assume he meant 50 best all time, not during the time he had them. Because if he meant over the course of the period they were on his team, he would have narrowed the scope to like top 10, I'm guessing.


PEACE

[capable_keL]

having Jordan counts as 2 top 50 players, imo

[Philaflava]

Jackson had 2 top 50 players he coached on the bulls.
He had 2 top 50 players he coached on the Lakers.

I don't know about any of you, but TP is becoming more and more like a top 15-20 PG of all-time. To my count, Pop had 3 HOF players, one the greatest PF of all-time and the other two possibly top 60-70 players of all-time too

What did you rate Pau during the Lakers 2nd run with Phil?

A euro-fag.

[naturalborn103]

Jackson had 2 top 50 players he coached on the bulls.
He had 2 top 50 players he coached on the Lakers.

I don't know about any of you, but TP is becoming more and more like a top 15-20 PG of all-time. To my count, Pop had 3 HOF players, one the greatest PF of all-time and the other two possibly top 60-70 players of all-time too

I count 3 top 50 on the Bulls. Rodman should be on there. Also, bit of an understatement by just saying top 50 for both Lakers and Bulls. Jordan could easily be best to ever do it. Pippen is one of the best 2 way wing players ever. Rodman is one of the best ever defensive players and the best rebounder ever since 3 point line has been introduced.

Lakers first 3 peat Shaq was the most dominant player I have ever seen. His peak rivals anyone else in the NBAs peak. Kobe is top 10-15 player ever. The second round of rings with Lakers those teams were LOADED with talent. Odom was playing like an all-star and Gasol and Bynum were both balling.

This years Spurs were easily the least talented of all of the teams Phil Jackson ever won with. All of the big 3 are way past their prime. It is insane that not one single player on the team averaged 30 minutes a game

[ric]

If what I've read about Phil Jackson's coaching techniques is what I think it is I don't think any coach in basketball has surpassed him.

I think pops is up there though. Arguably top 3. Not sure about Auerbach(?sp). As much as I hate to admit it probably better than Riley or Van Gundy too.

I would choose Phil as my coach even with average players. I don't think people realize just how balling Phil Jackson really is.

edit after the fact:

check this shit out for phil jackson. the albany patroons (cba)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany_Patroons

yr........lg........rk, div.......result
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1982/83 CBA 4th, Eastern Did not qualify
1983/84 CBA 2nd, Eastern Champions
1984/85 CBA 1st, Eastern Eastern Division Finals
1985/86 CBA 4th, Eastern Eastern Division Semifinals
1986/87 CBA 2nd, Eastern Eastern Division Finals
1987/88 CBA 1st, Eastern Champions
1988/89 CBA 1st, Eastern Eastern Division Semifinals
1989/90 CBA 1st, American Eastern American Conference Finals
1990/91 CBA 1st, National Eastern National Conference Finals
1991/92 CBA 3rd, American Eastern American Conference 1st Round Shootout
1992/93 CBA 2nd, American Eastern Did not qualify

[Reason]

He is the best coach of all time.

[Kid That's Lifeless]

If what I've read about Phil Jackson's coaching techniques is what I think it is I don't think any coach in basketball has surpassed him.

I think pops is up there though. Arguably top 3. Not sure about Auerbach(?sp). As much as I hate to admit it probably better than Riley or Van Gundy too.

I would choose Phil as my coach even with average players. I don't think people realize just how balling Phil Jackson really is.

edit after the fact:

check this shit out for phil jackson. the albany patroons (cba)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany_Patroons

yr........lg........rk, div.......result
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1982/83 CBA 4th, Eastern Did not qualify
1983/84 CBA 2nd, Eastern Champions
1984/85 CBA 1st, Eastern Eastern Division Finals
1985/86 CBA 4th, Eastern Eastern Division Semifinals
1986/87 CBA 2nd, Eastern Eastern Division Finals
1987/88 CBA 1st, Eastern Champions
1988/89 CBA 1st, Eastern Eastern Division Semifinals
1989/90 CBA 1st, American Eastern American Conference Finals
1990/91 CBA 1st, National Eastern National Conference Finals
1991/92 CBA 3rd, American Eastern American Conference 1st Round Shootout
1992/93 CBA 2nd, American Eastern Did not qualify

Ric y'all #patroons

[peanut butter]

He is the best sports bar poster of all time.

PEACE

[DLG]

It will be interesting to see what happens when Duncan retires, and if Pop decides to stay how he adjusts the team.

didn't Pop say that he's retiring with Duncan?

[Gregg Popabitch]

He is the best sports bar poster of all time.

PEACE

[ric]

#patroons
Phil is best

[axel foley]

if fat boris diaw won finals mvp, i wouldn't have been mad at all. pop deserves to be in the discussion based on that alone.

[BeHemoth]

Riley and Jackson never hooked me up with Xanax

[Tweak Da Leak]

Duncan is better(all-time) then any player Phil has coached in his career besides Jordan