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alpha wrote:Had to vote Watt but it's probably Rodgers.
No elite QB ever goes 9-7, especially when you start 4-0 from Jacksonville/Tennessee freebiesDLG wrote:If Watt doesn't win it this year there will never be another defensive league MVP
The game of football has designed it's rules to make offensive numbers gaudy and make Quarterbacks kings.eternalreflection wrote:No elite QB ever goes 9-7, especially when you start 4-0 from Jacksonville/Tennessee freebiesDLG wrote:If Watt doesn't win it this year there will never be another defensive league MVP
In most sports there is wiggle room between the positions, in football there isn't the MVP is always the best QB
I agree BUT I also disagree. Hear me out.Gregg Popabitch wrote:The game of football has designed it's rules to make offensive numbers gaudy and make Quarterbacks kings.eternalreflection wrote:No elite QB ever goes 9-7, especially when you start 4-0 from Jacksonville/Tennessee freebiesDLG wrote:If Watt doesn't win it this year there will never be another defensive league MVP
In most sports there is wiggle room between the positions, in football there isn't the MVP is always the best QB
But honestly, that's what makes what Watt did this year even more impressive to me. The rules are working against him and yet he put in one of the best defensive years in nfl history. and while we're at it, he scored 3 TDs on the offensive end too so he provided extra value. He didn't even lead the NFL in sacks this year and he still completely overshadowed Justin Houston's season. Look at Houston's defense.....he IS their defense. Look at Houston's QBs. How the hell did that team make it to 9 wins? One word: Watt.
I feel like it's getting to the point where QBs should have their own Cy Young award.
You think so? Watt had more fumble recoveries, batted balls, a safety, an INT, and tackles for a loss on top of the offensive value that Watt gave you as well with those 3 goal line TDs (i know you said on the defensive side of the ball but those are big too). Numbers don't always tell the whole story but Watt is pretty damn dominant overall.Ramen wrote:One reason Justin Houston was overshadowed is cause the media didn't campaign for him like Watt. He had a comparable season on the defensive side of the ball imo.
To a certain extent, you're right howeverrrrrrr.....an-also wrote:I agree BUT I also disagree. Hear me out.Gregg Popabitch wrote:The game of football has designed it's rules to make offensive numbers gaudy and make Quarterbacks kings.eternalreflection wrote:No elite QB ever goes 9-7, especially when you start 4-0 from Jacksonville/Tennessee freebiesDLG wrote:If Watt doesn't win it this year there will never be another defensive league MVP
In most sports there is wiggle room between the positions, in football there isn't the MVP is always the best QB
But honestly, that's what makes what Watt did this year even more impressive to me. The rules are working against him and yet he put in one of the best defensive years in nfl history. and while we're at it, he scored 3 TDs on the offensive end too so he provided extra value. He didn't even lead the NFL in sacks this year and he still completely overshadowed Justin Houston's season. Look at Houston's defense.....he IS their defense. Look at Houston's QBs. How the hell did that team make it to 9 wins? One word: Watt.
I feel like it's getting to the point where QBs should have their own Cy Young award.
Yes, football is designed nowadays for huge offensive passing numbers but I think it only negatively affects DB's, safeties and to a certain extent Linebackers. I actually think the new rules empower pass rushers to have gaudy numbers too. Lets compare 20 years ago to now. Lets say teams passed it 25 times a game on average then and now they pass it 35 times a game. This gives D-lineman 10 more plays a game where they can either sack the qb, block the pass, tip the pass etc. I'm pretty sure sack numbers have gone up in 20 years.
What Watt did this year is incredible but just like I take passing numbers nowadays with a grain of salt, I take pass rusher numbers with the same grain of salt also.
Also consider that with all the amount of passing, Rodgers only threw 5 int's (4 of which were tipped balls off of receivers hands) is pretty incredible to me. But then again, I'm a bias packer fan so take this post with a grain of salt also
Yeah I think it's pretty comparable, they are used differently so it's hard just to use numbers.Gregg Popabitch wrote:You think so? Watt had more fumble recoveries, batted balls, a safety, an INT, and tackles for a loss on top of the offensive value that Watt gave you as well with those 3 goal line TDs (i know you said on the defensive side of the ball but those are big too). Numbers don't always tell the whole story but Watt is pretty damn dominant overall.Ramen wrote:One reason Justin Houston was overshadowed is cause the media didn't campaign for him like Watt. He had a comparable season on the defensive side of the ball imo.
This isn't an MVP poll. but i know what you're saying.Ramen wrote:Yeah I think it's pretty comparable, they are used differently so it's hard just to use numbers.Gregg Popabitch wrote:You think so? Watt had more fumble recoveries, batted balls, a safety, an INT, and tackles for a loss on top of the offensive value that Watt gave you as well with those 3 goal line TDs (i know you said on the defensive side of the ball but those are big too). Numbers don't always tell the whole story but Watt is pretty damn dominant overall.Ramen wrote:One reason Justin Houston was overshadowed is cause the media didn't campaign for him like Watt. He had a comparable season on the defensive side of the ball imo.
If the award was Most Outstanding Player, Watt would have took it home IMO. QB will always win the MVP debate, especially nowadays.
Eternal is exactly right. I have basically watched no NFL football this year so cant say shit about this season. But, last year Watt had an all time great defensive years playing a premier position and his team still won only 2 games. A QB cant have an all time great season and only win 2 games.Gregg Popabitch wrote:The game of football has designed it's rules to make offensive numbers gaudy and make Quarterbacks kings.eternalreflection wrote:No elite QB ever goes 9-7, especially when you start 4-0 from Jacksonville/Tennessee freebiesDLG wrote:If Watt doesn't win it this year there will never be another defensive league MVP
In most sports there is wiggle room between the positions, in football there isn't the MVP is always the best QB
But honestly, that's what makes what Watt did this year even more impressive to me. The rules are working against him and yet he put in one of the best defensive years in nfl history. and while we're at it, he scored 3 TDs on the offensive end too so he provided extra value. He didn't even lead the NFL in sacks this year and he still completely overshadowed Justin Houston's season. Look at Houston's defense.....he IS their defense. Look at Houston's QBs. How the hell did that team make it to 9 wins? One word: Watt.
I feel like it's getting to the point where QBs should have their own Cy Young award.