Ice-T on Oprah Winfrey show 1990

foobar · Post by **foobar** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:11 pm

This is awesome!

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Thun · Post by **Thun** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:12 pm

Ice-T's fine ass girlfriend getting into the argument.

SO MUCH thinly veiled white racism.

Juan Williams is a fucking faggot and Tipper Gore is worthless, lying piece of shit.

Jello Biafara, ICe-T, and Nelson George FTW

Teddy C.D. · Post by **Teddy C.D.** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:03 pm

Thanks for the post foobar--I don't think I'd seen this before. This should be blogged on TROY, btw. I'd gladly do it.

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:16 pm

I think this had already been posted elsewhere on the forum, but yea it's incredible. Jello Biafra makes complete fools of the would-be censors, digging up reactionary PMRC fundraising sources and all that...

Teddy C.D. · Post by **Teddy C.D.** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:24 pm

Versive wrote:I think this had already been posted elsewhere on the forum, but yea it's incredible. Jello Biafra makes complete fools of the would-be censors, digging up reactionary PMRC fundraising sources and all that...

Nah I think it was Ice-T on Arsenio or something like that. And yeah, I think Jello was my favorite speaker out of that. Either him or Nelson.

Zeed Stun · Post by **Zeed Stun** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:26 am

jello biafra :copy:

the 90's were weird man.

TheBigSleep · Post by **TheBigSleep** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:42 am

Man, Tipper Gore is such a cunt.

AlienNationRadio · Post by **AlienNationRadio** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:50 am

Thanks for the post, foobar.

foobar · Post by **foobar** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:06 am

np guys!

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:56 am

Zeed Stun wrote:jello biafra

the 90's were weird man.

This was '89 I think, but yeah. Youngins have no idea.

step one · Post by **step one** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:24 pm

Zeed Stun wrote:jello biafra

the 90's were weird man.

The music was in much better shape when artists werent worried about pissing off the cheque writers. These days 99% of rappers shy away from anything that remotely resembles an opinion for fear of offending Jimmy Iovine or Lyor Cohen.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:16 pm

step one wrote:
Zeed Stun wrote:jello biafra

the 90's were weird man.
The music was in much better shape when artists werent worried about pissing off the cheque writers. These days 99% of rappers shy away from anything that remotely resembles an opinion for fear of offending Jimmy Iovine or Lyor Cohen.

Sure but in all fairness high ranking politicians aren't creating campaign platforms that center around attacking rap music anymore, so the opportunity for the kinds of confrontations that PE, Ice-T, Sista Souljah, and others experienced 20 years ago isn't really there. People are way more familiar with rap nowadays, it doesn't scare the shit out of middle American crackers like it used to.

siderealist · Post by **siderealist** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:24 am

Juan: Y'know I just think that's such a low kind of attitude...
Ice: Lets get LOW Juan

step one · Post by **step one** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:48 am

Thun wrote:
step one wrote:
Zeed Stun wrote:jello biafra

the 90's were weird man.
The music was in much better shape when artists werent worried about pissing off the cheque writers. These days 99% of rappers shy away from anything that remotely resembles an opinion for fear of offending Jimmy Iovine or Lyor Cohen.
Sure but in all fairness high ranking politicians aren't creating campaign platforms that center around attacking rap music anymore, so the opportunity for the kinds of confrontations that PE, Ice-T, Sista Souljah, and others experienced 20 years ago isn't really there. People are way more familiar with rap nowadays, it doesn't scare the shit out of middle American crackers like it used to.

Fair point. The Minstrel Show isn't as threatening as The Black Panthers though.
Corporate America took a 'cant beat em join em' approach though. They dished out big contracts, endorsements and sponsorship deals and eventually had rappers pandering to their ideals rather than standing against them.

"Sure you could make a song about corrupt police officers or slavemasters but if you make an extended jingle about our liquor or sneakers then we can probably sell more of that"

I like the songs about liquor and snekaers, Im just saying -rap lost.

Wicked · Post by **Wicked** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:34 am

Good shit!

nickwoj · Post by **nickwoj** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:26 am

i gotta say, 20 years later, the censors were right haha
they didn't fully have a grasp on shit and went about it in the entirely wrong way, but pop culture definitely has a negative effect on youth. you just can't deny it.

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:38 am

nickwoj wrote:i gotta say, 20 years later, the censors were right haha
they didn't fully have a grasp on shit and went about it in the entirely wrong way, but pop culture definitely has a negative effect on youth. you just can't deny it.

It depends what issues pop culture is addressing. If you listended to 'Nation Of Millions' or 'Death Certificate' when you were growing up I wouldnt say that would necessarily have a negative influence, whereas 'The Marshall Mathers LP' or 'Get Rich Or Die Trying' might do.

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:52 pm

step one wrote:
nickwoj wrote:i gotta say, 20 years later, the censors were right haha
they didn't fully have a grasp on shit and went about it in the entirely wrong way, but pop culture definitely has a negative effect on youth. you just can't deny it.
It depends what issues pop culture is addressing. If you listended to 'Nation Of Millions' or 'Death Certificate' when you were growing up I wouldnt say that would necessarily have a negative influence, whereas 'The Marshall Mathers LP' or 'Get Rich Or Die Trying' might do.

Nah, I disagree. Kids who are going to act insane will do so regardless of the music they hear, movies they watch, video games they play, etc.

Beavis and Butthead didn't make that kid microwave his neighbor's cat. Being a fucking sociopath did.

TheBigSleep · Post by **TheBigSleep** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:03 pm

Fuck censorship, police your kids and stop infringing on free speech assholes.

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:10 pm

Versive wrote:
step one wrote:
nickwoj wrote:i gotta say, 20 years later, the censors were right haha
they didn't fully have a grasp on shit and went about it in the entirely wrong way, but pop culture definitely has a negative effect on youth. you just can't deny it.
It depends what issues pop culture is addressing. If you listended to 'Nation Of Millions' or 'Death Certificate' when you were growing up I wouldnt say that would necessarily have a negative influence, whereas 'The Marshall Mathers LP' or 'Get Rich Or Die Trying' might do.
Nah, I disagree. Kids who are going to act insane will do so regardless of the music they hear, movies they watch, video games they play, etc.

yeah, I agree with that up to a point which is why I said 'might do'.
if a kids a sociopath, Eminem cosigning the behaviour (which in the kids eyes he is) might not help things.

nickwoj · Post by **nickwoj** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:21 am

i'm not saying i believe in censorship whatsoever. i definitely don't. i'm just sayin i was in a position to listen to o.g. original gangster on the school bus every day in 3rd grade (which i did) and not be affected by it, but now that i'm 30 i can see that a lot of kids in certain positions can be negatively effected by an artist like waka flaka or 50 cent. it's not these artists' fault and they shouldn't change. however, i can totally understand why older folks feel the way they do about shit like that, even though i don't feel that way.

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:39 pm

nickwoj wrote:i'm not saying i believe in censorship whatsoever. i definitely don't. i'm just sayin i was in a position to listen to o.g. original gangster on the school bus every day in 3rd grade (which i did) and not be affected by it, but now that i'm 30 i can see that a lot of kids in certain positions can be negatively effected by an artist like waka flaka or 50 cent. it's not these artists' fault and they shouldn't change. however, i can totally understand why older folks feel the way they do about shit like that, even though i don't feel that way.

If your child is exclusively listening to Waka or 50 it is your responsibility as a parent to play that little fucker some Wu-Tang.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:43 pm

LOL@ 4 elements REEL HOP HIP types turning into conservative republicans once they turn 30.

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:50 pm

Thun wrote:LOL@ 4 elements REEL HOP HIP types turning into conservative republicans once they turn 30.

cant fight it man

Wicked · Post by **Wicked** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:09 am

TheBigSleep wrote:Fuck censorship, police your kids and stop infringing on free speech assholes.

Exactly!

It's ALWAYS a parents responsibility, period. The parents who complain about Rap music and other "bad influences" are the parents who are not good parents so they need something/someone else to blame even though they are the ones who are at fault. Real talk.