Best debut verse/song?

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:56 am

Whereas some rappers take a while to establish themselves - Jay Z for example - others make a huge impact first chance they get.
Setting aside how their careers panned out, whats your favourite debut?

Nas - Live At The Barbeque
Big L - Yes You May remix
Rakim - Eric B For President
Redman - Hardcore
AZ - Lifes A Bitch
Big Noyd - Give Up The Goods
Masta Ace - The Symphony
Snoop Dogg - Deep Cover
OC - Fudge Pudge
Buckshot - How Many MCs

Add on...I'm only talking official debuts though, not some demo tape that Bobitto played once in 1992.

aleph · Post by **aleph** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:34 am

A few off the top

Q-Tip- Black Is Black
Zev Love X- Gas Face
Dres- Fanatic of the B Word
Diamond D- Show Business
K-Solo- Knick Knack Patty Wack
Heather B- 7 Dee Jays

shadowmaster · Post by **shadowmaster** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:56 am

He gets hated on, but Capadonna's verse on Ice Water is dope. Some may consider Ice Cream his debut though, same lp still.

He took Gza's spot with his Ice Water verse, I'd still love to hear what Gza's verse was over that beat.

Ice Cream was also supposed to be a Liquid Swords beat, but Rae took it.

It's not their debut, and Shook Ones came before (and his verse was dope on that) but Prodigy's verse on Shook Ones Pt 2 is kind of like the start of his new flow/delivery for me.

AZ, of course.

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:21 pm

shadowmaster wrote:
It's not their debut, and Shook Ones came before (and his verse was dope on that) but Prodigy's verse on Shook Ones Pt 2 is kind of like the start of his new flow/delivery for me.

Theres a lot of instances like this that arent really valid - Jeru with 'Come Clean' for instance had already appeared on 'Daily Operation'

Its hard to pinpoint rappers that debut over an a few tracks on an LP, especially in the case of the Wu. You couldnt really say what Ghost or Rae's 'first' track was.

Its more about that one verse/track that was the first time a rapper had been on wax and made everyone go

and make a note to keep an ear out for more

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:23 pm

Now that you mention it, Jeru on "I'm The Man." He murdered that shit, out of nowhere seemingly.

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:27 pm

Thun wrote:Now that you mention it, Jeru on "I'm The Man." He murdered that shit, out of nowhere seemingly.

Definitely. It was about another year or so before 'Come Clean' hit though wasnt it? Imagine that shit happening in 2011

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:42 pm

step one wrote:
Thun wrote:Now that you mention it, Jeru on "I'm The Man." He murdered that shit, out of nowhere seemingly.
Definitely. It was about another year or so before 'Come Clean' hit though wasnt it? Imagine that shit happening in 2011

Yeah it was a long wait. I remember seeing the "Come Clean" video debut on Video Music Box and being shocked that he finally had his own song, and then being further shocked that it was the illest shit out.

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:54 pm

Thun wrote:
step one wrote:
Thun wrote:Now that you mention it, Jeru on "I'm The Man." He murdered that shit, out of nowhere seemingly.
Definitely. It was about another year or so before 'Come Clean' hit though wasnt it? Imagine that shit happening in 2011
Yeah it was a long wait. I remember seeing the "Come Clean" video debut on Video Music Box and being shocked that he finally had his own song, and then being further shocked that it was the illest shit out.

As big a Primo fan as I am, its probably just aswell he's unlikely to make beats like that again. It'd only end up with Nick Javas or Termanology rapping on them. Its slightly easier to bear when they get one of his 'formula' beats.

Joneski · Post by **Joneski** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:44 pm

Most that came to my mind have already been mentioned, but I thought of a good more New-Jack-ish one:

Canibus & DMX:
LL Cool J - "4,3,2,1 (Remix)"

That was the first time a lot of us heard Canibus or DMX. They both killed it and both really intrigued me. Too bad neither of them ever fully lived up to their potential. At the time it was like, "Damn! Who are those dudes??". I remember eagerly anticipating DMX's debut LP to drop, only to be incredibly disappointed. Same story with Canibus - he dropped "Second Round K.O." which wasn't bad - he garnered all this buzz about him, then came out with a debut LP that was just weak and unclimactic. "4, 3, 2, 1" was so dope, though....always dug Erick Sermon's beat on that....
speaking of that:

Keith Murray:
Erick Sermon - "Hostile"

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:54 pm

Murray on Hostile is a good one.
DMX had been around for a while before he was one that LL track though.

a few more:

Beanie Sigel on 'Adrenaline'
2Pac on 'Same Song' (ok, maybe not an

moment but I always liked that verse)
Slick Rick on The Show/La Di Da Di

Verge · Post by **Verge** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:56 pm

Kid Hood - though he died something like a week or two later, it's still possibly my favorite debut verse ever.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:55 pm

step one wrote:
Thun wrote:
step one wrote:
Thun wrote:Now that you mention it, Jeru on "I'm The Man." He murdered that shit, out of nowhere seemingly.
Definitely. It was about another year or so before 'Come Clean' hit though wasnt it? Imagine that shit happening in 2011
Yeah it was a long wait. I remember seeing the "Come Clean" video debut on Video Music Box and being shocked that he finally had his own song, and then being further shocked that it was the illest shit out.
As big a Primo fan as I am, its probably just aswell he's unlikely to make beats like that again. It'd only end up with Nick Javas or Termanology rapping on them. Its slightly easier to bear when they get one of his 'formula' beats.

Does Nick Javas have ANY fans??? I've never in my life heard anyone other than Premo endorse this guy. And I'm from Jersey.

Joneski · Post by **Joneski** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:32 pm

step one wrote:DMX had been around for a while before he was one that LL track though.

True. Obviously wasn't his first verse ever sprayed - but, on a "mass appeal" level, nobody knew who he was until that track. I dig those early joints on Nick Wiz's 'Cellar Sounds', those were cool to hear - I feel like "4,3,2,1" was the vehicle that really introduced him to the world at large, though.

foobar · Post by **foobar** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:41 pm

Busta Rhymes debut in "Big Daddy Kane - [Prince Of Darkness #11] Come On Down ft. Q-Tip And Busta Rhymes" (1991)

CRASH DDZ · Post by **CRASH DDZ** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:55 pm

Joneski wrote: Keith Murray:
Erick Sermon - "Hostile"

my first thought outside of Nas.

YOUNGMOE · Post by **YOUNGMOE** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:41 pm

the don on icecream
might be my favorite rap verse ever

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:49 pm

step one wrote:Whereas some rappers take a while to establish themselves - Jay Z for example - others make a huge impact first chance they get.

what was jayz's debut anyways? hawaiian sophie? i can't recall

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:50 pm

and i'll go w/ nas & az. tough to beat those 2 debuts. and good call on cappadonna youngmoe

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:57 pm

also, if wanna talk about a debut to the whole damn world, it's hard to ignore eminem's my name is whether u liked it or not

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:58 pm

and how bout memph on coming of age

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 pm

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude wrote:and how bout memph on coming of age

How bout not?

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:08 pm

Joneski wrote:Most that came to my mind have already been mentioned, but I thought of a good more New-Jack-ish one:

Canibus & DMX:
LL Cool J - "4,3,2,1 (Remix)"

I think Canibus' debut was on the Lost Boyz posse cut, Beasts From The East, which also features A+ and Redman. Canibus blacks out on this.

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Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:16 pm

Never understood why people mention the Beasts From The East verse as something noteworthy or special. That's some really stupid, corny, proto-jansport bullshit he spits.

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:19 pm

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude wrote:
step one wrote:Whereas some rappers take a while to establish themselves - Jay Z for example - others make a huge impact first chance they get.
what was jayz's debut anyways? hawaiian sophie? i can't recall

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:29 pm

Thun wrote:Never understood why people mention the Beasts From The East verse as something noteworthy or special. That's some really stupid, corny, proto-jansport bullshit he spits.

I guess I'm just a proto-jansport kind of listener - I dig several Canbius albums and as far as battle raps go, he's pretty ridiculous.

I'll say this: Canibus rips it even more on the A+ track Boyz To Men (also ft. Mr. Cheeks), but A+ gets it for the whole "regenerate limbs like a starfish... swallow my pager to communicate with a dolphin" sequence.

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Versive · Post by **Versive** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:41 pm

Big Pun on Off the Books

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and of course Biggie on Party & Bullshit

None of these are my favorite. I'm just running down other impactful debuts, thinking about it.

TheBigSleep · Post by **TheBigSleep** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:57 pm

Watch Out off Fat Joe's Jealous One's Envy predates Pun's verse on Off the Books by a couple years:

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Then there was Firewater in '96 before he worked with Beatnuts the following year.

Joneski · Post by **Joneski** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:59 pm

Versive wrote:Big Pun on Off the Books

Say word! He annihilated that track...that was one of those verses you wanted to memorize right away so you could rap along with it

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:06 pm

Dat_Triflin_Ass_Dude wrote:also, if wanna talk about a debut to the whole damn world, it's hard to ignore eminem's my name is whether u liked it or not

Em had dropped a few things before this though.

Versive wrote:Biggie on Party & Bullshit

He did the Supercat & Mary J Blige remixes before this

Thun wrote:Never understood why people mention the Beasts From The East verse as something noteworthy or special

Yeah. I didnt hear it until a few years after it came out for some reason. Not wack by any means but I cant say I was blown away.

anyway, just to clarify for people, I'm talking actual debuts here.
Whether or not it was their first 'big track' or the one that got them noticed contradicts the point of the thread - its about the rappers that killed it on their first opportunity.

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:07 pm

I stand corrected.

I think AZ's verse on Life's A Bitch is my favorite debut.

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