Best Crooklyn Dodgers joint?

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:15 pm

Masta Ace, Special Ed, Buckshot & ATCQ production

vs

Chubb Rock, OC & Jeru on a Primo beat

Is one better than the other? I cant call it. I feel 'Return...' is up there with Primo's best beats but Ace/Ed/Buck might have the edge on the lyrics.

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Im aware of that 9th Wonder version from a few years ago with Memph Bleek, Mos Def & Jean Grae but I think we can all agree its not fucking with these two.

PatBC · Post by **PatBC** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:37 pm

I think that Jeru's verse itself makes the "return" track better

Both are classics though

TheBigSleep · Post by **TheBigSleep** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:38 pm

I prefer the Return joint more.

vaporized2 · Post by **vaporized2** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:46 pm

I honestly can't decide... :ardy:

pt.3 was such a non-event...horrible shit

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:26 pm

If someone had've hooked up a 'Crooklyn Dodgers' album back in the day it might've been the best thing ever

vaporized2 · Post by **vaporized2** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:29 pm

step one wrote:If someone had've hooked up a 'Crooklyn Dodgers' album back in the day it might've been the best thing ever

god yeah. imagine that

Mark 563 · Post by **Mark 563** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:21 pm

As much as I like the Return, I prefer the original.

Req · Post by **Req** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:37 pm

Return, Chubb murders it

vermillion · Post by **vermillion** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:51 pm

Return definitely by quite a margin by me. One of my favorite Premier beats and everyone kills it.

-SyLar- · Post by **-SyLar-** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:51 pm

both versions are smoking but return edges it because of jerus verse. Its the best verse on both versions.

step one · Post by **step one** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:09 pm

Jeru was definitely at his peak around that time. Shame he didnt jump on a few more tracks. OC's verse is good aswell and Chubb Rock kinda came back out of nowhere from what I remember.
I heard someone say they shouldve got Biggie on that but I dont think he'd have sounded right alongside the others, and dont think he'd have come with the right lyrical content.

Ace, Buckshot & Special Ed all compliment each other really well - they sound as cohesive as some real groups. The beat is more subtle on their joint though. Primo's is the type of beat where you'd struggle to sound wack over something that good.

jazztomovethatass · Post by **jazztomovethatass** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:25 pm

both classics. got return tho, jeru aces it and that primo beat is in his top whatever.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:15 am

First one does a much better job of communicating its theme and evoking Brooklyn.

That said, OC's verse on the return is hugely underrated.

Thereallex · Post by **Thereallex** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:55 am

The retur, no doubt, though Q tip production is excellent and the lyrics are legendary, but hey primo made it swing so brooklyn

bad-cop · Post by **bad-cop** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:47 am

Return...

professorelemental · Post by **professorelemental** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:59 am

1st one every time. Just think about how many times the lines have been sampled. Plus that beat is damn near perfect ATCQ.

step one · Post by **step one** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:15 am

Heres a blend I made a while ago using the 'Return...' beat and the 'Bridge 2001' acapella

http://djstepone.blogspot.com/2009/04/c ... -step.html

Dragondude R · Post by **Dragondude R** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:52 pm

the original

STAM · Post by **STAM** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:24 pm

hard to take
between Jeru and Ed but...... my favourite mc can't hang ;) JERU!
Return iz mine

vaporized2 · Post by **vaporized2** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:28 pm

step one wrote:Heres a blend I made a while ago using the 'Return...' beat and the 'Bridge 2001' acapella

http://djstepone.blogspot.com/2009/04/c ... -step.html

had this on my laptop for a while now (probably since when you did it), works nicely!

step one · Post by **step one** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:32 pm

vaporized2 wrote:
step one wrote:Heres a blend I made a while ago using the 'Return...' beat and the 'Bridge 2001' acapella

http://djstepone.blogspot.com/2009/04/c ... -step.html
had this on my laptop for a while now (probably since when you did it), works nicely!

Im gonna drop a few new blends soon I think. You done much with those Wu Tang & Biggie bits I sent you?

aleph · Post by **aleph** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:34 pm

Too obvious to say apples and oranges? Pt. 2 is more of a posse cut; the emcees go for theirs while keeping the Brooklyn references impressionistic at best, whereas the originalגs rhymes are more BK-specific (as per Thun). Each serves their respective film very well. Can neither say which is better nor which I like more. Dope, both.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:02 pm

aleph wrote:Too obvious to say apples and oranges? Pt. 2 is more of a posse cut; the emcees go for theirs while keeping the Brooklyn references impressionistic at best, whereas the originalגs rhymes are more BK-specific (as per Thun). Each serves their respective film very well. Can neither say which is better nor which I like more. Dope, both.

On second thought, I change my mind. Both songs have impressionistic and factual-literal allusions used to good effect.

I think I prefer the first one because its structure makes the rapping seem more interactive between the vocalists.

jazzmatazz23 · Post by **jazzmatazz23** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:07 pm

Return of the crooklyn dodgers is one of my favorite songs of all time

aleph · Post by **aleph** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:07 pm

Damn, exposed as a lazy-ass again. I was relying on my spotty memory of the two songs. Part 2's more rapid-fire perfs deceived me into remembering that they were more lyrical mission-type verses, and Buckshot's reference to playing hot peas & butter in the og is burned in my brain. Listening to part 2 after the fact I'm amazed how they were able to condense their Brooklynisms so concisely and vividly in one verse each. I still love em both equally tho.

Take all my recollections with a grain of salt from now on.

vaporized2 · Post by **vaporized2** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:14 pm

holy smoke it's getting deep....deeep crooklyn analysis going on

1400 word essay needed

step one wrote: Im gonna drop a few new blends soon I think. You done much with those Wu Tang & Biggie bits I sent you?

I didnt download that wu file yet, I will do...used hypnotize on the group home ones

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:04 pm

I would tackle it but I feel like someone who is actually from the east ny-brownsville-bed stuy-flatbush greater area would be able to shed a lot more light. Anybody here fit that description?

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:05 pm

aleph wrote:Damn, exposed as a lazy-ass again. I was relying on my spotty memory of the two songs. Part 2's more rapid-fire perfs deceived me into remembering that they were more lyrical mission-type verses, and Buckshot's reference to playing hot peas & butter in the og is burned in my brain. Listening to part 2 after the fact I'm amazed how they were able to condense their Brooklynisms so concisely and vividly in one verse each. I still love em both equally tho.

Take all my recollections with a grain of salt from now on.

It's all good, I made the same mistake but when I relistened my claim fell apart.

step one · Post by **step one** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:29 am

Thun wrote:I would tackle it but I feel like someone who is actually from the east ny-brownsville-bed stuy-flatbush greater area would be able to shed a lot more light. Anybody here fit that description?

Wheres Mike Nice at these days?

KITFUNK · Post by **KITFUNK** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:49 am

My family's from Brownsville, if that helps...

Anyway, both are dope and hard to choose as everyone has already said.

Everyone featured on both songs, kills it. But I prolly listen to the original more.