1994-Saafir vs Casual (Debut LP's)

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:05 pm

Which Oakland MC released the better debut album back in 1994?

The off the wall beats and off beat rhymes of...

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The no frills, raw rhymes and beats of...

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Andyman187 · Post by **Andyman187** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:09 pm

Can-U-Feel Me, Jus Riden, Light Sleeper, Real Circus

vs

That's How It Is, I Didn't Mean To & Me-O-Mi-O, That Bullshit

So close but I have to go wit Saafir!

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:28 pm

Andyman187 wrote:Can-U-Feel Me, Jus Riden, Light Sleeper, Real Circus

vs

That's How It Is, I Didn't Mean To & Me-O-Mi-O, That Bullshit

So close but I have to go wit Saafir!

word...Swig of The Stew, Playa Hata, Can U Feel Me, No Return...I think you know what I voted for.

Boothe · Post by **Boothe** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:58 pm

Not even close for me.

Fear Itself.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:21 pm

Boothe wrote:Not even close for me.

Fear Itself.

shakeanjake · Post by **shakeanjake** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:36 pm

I like a few Saafir tracks, but Casual takes this by a mile.

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:42 pm

To those that voted for Casual, why do you think it is the better album please?

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:54 pm

Jaz wrote:To those that voted for Casual, why do you think it is the better album please?

I don't know if it's inherently a better album but it is a much more enjoable listen in my opinion. The beats bang and Casual just goes off on every one, sounding hungry and inspired. Saafir's left-field antics sometimes wear thin.

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:00 pm

Thun wrote:
Jaz wrote:To those that voted for Casual, why do you think it is the better album please?
I don't know if it's inherently a better album but it is a much more enjoyable listen in my opinion. The beats bang and Casual just goes off on every one, sounding hungry and inspired. Saafir's left-field antics sometimes wear thin.

Fair enough Thun, the left field shit was why I enjoyed and still enjoy Boxcar Sessions, Fear Itself is a dope album though.

shakeanjake · Post by **shakeanjake** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:41 am

Call me conservative, but I just don't buy into rapping off-beat being a virtue. Hit List is my shit though.

Y@k Bollocks · Post by **Y@k Bollocks** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:47 am

Both albums have aged really well. Listen to Boxcar Sessions now more than I ever did when it came out. Has matured nicely IMO. That said, I still prefer the raw sound of Casuals album.

Huldrich Bullsh!t · Post by **Huldrich Bullsh!t** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:19 am

great albums. listened to fear itself about a week ago will go to Boxcar Sessions now :)

both rappers have a very distinctive styles
all in all the production on fear itself might have been a little bit better but i never really could wrap my head around how dope Saafirs flow was.
i think i have to go with Boxcar by a slight margin. i think i listened to it more over the years.

btw am i the only one who thinks chains is one of the best songs on fear itself? that loop/beat is so off the wall and Casual rips it with one of his best topical lyrics from the album

PopsUK · Post by **PopsUK** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:55 am

Casual takes this by a mile for me... I just loved everything coming out of the Hiero camp at that time, and of all the albums this is one that I can still go back to and enjoy front to back.

I could never get into Boxcar Sessioins, for some reason.... and it's album I've gone back to a few times over the years whenever I hear it talked about, and I still don't really get it.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:12 am

Yeah I'm in the camp that thinks Fear Itself is superior in every way. Maybe Saafir got him on the Wake Up show battle, but that was it.

aREAL · Post by **aREAL** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:05 am

Casual all the way.

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:53 pm

These discussions are dope...thanks all.

hellriser · Post by **hellriser** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:45 pm

tough choice jaz

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:20 pm

Pure rhyming and charisma = Casual
Raw styles and mindblowing everything = Saafir

Boxcar Sessions is one of the most progressive Rap albums ever.

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:29 pm

Employee wrote:Pure rhyming and charisma = Casual
Raw styles and mindblowing everything = Saafir

Boxcar Sessions is one of the most progressive Rap albums ever.

word Emp...I love it and was blown away when I first put the CD on the stereo.

I Smell Like Un Kasa · Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:01 pm

Saafir, and its not even close, to being an easy choice for me. This was tuff city records.

Y@k Bollocks · Post by **Y@k Bollocks** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:39 am

Jaz wrote:
Employee wrote:Pure rhyming and charisma = Casual
Raw styles and mindblowing everything = Saafir

Boxcar Sessions is one of the most progressive Rap albums ever.
word Emp...I love it and was blown away when I first put the CD on the stereo.

I actually hated it when I first heard it. The beats were weird, his flow was weird. I was expecting another Souls, Del or Casual album, so it got shelved. Must have been 15 at the time, and it wasn't until years later that I started developing patience and a taste for more bugged out hip hop and revisited it. Music For The Advanced Listener, yo.

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:37 am

Y@k Bollocks wrote:
Jaz wrote:
Employee wrote:Pure rhyming and charisma = Casual
Raw styles and mindblowing everything = Saafir

Boxcar Sessions is one of the most progressive Rap albums ever.
word Emp...I love it and was blown away when I first put the CD on the stereo.
I actually hated it when I first heard it. The beats were weird, his flow was weird. I was expecting another Souls, Del or Casual album, so it got shelved. Must have been 15 at the time, and it wasn't until years later that I started developing patience and a taste for more bugged out hip hop and revisited it. Music For The Advanced Listener, yo.

haha all good and well put Yak.

CRASH DDZ · Post by **CRASH DDZ** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:19 am

casual's album was the best. I like the beats on it more and Casuals rhyme style more that Saafir's BUT Saafir has the best moment on Casuals CD.

Over time Casual has over all become my fave Hiero MC. I like every thing he's dropped.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:20 am

Am I the only person who thinks Saafir is awful and always has been?

Casual's Fear Itself is way better and it's not even remotely close.

Huldrich Bullsh!t · Post by **Huldrich Bullsh!t** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:56 am

Magneto wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Saafir is awful and always has been?

Casual's Fear Itself is way better and it's not even remotely close.

im sure you're not the only one but you're still wrong

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:01 pm

Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:
Magneto wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Saafir is awful and always has been?

Casual's Fear Itself is way better and it's not even remotely close.
im sure you're not the only one but you're still wrong

Lol nah Saafir is a complete hack. The off-beat flow is terrible, his delivery, his voice... just terrible. Well, his lyrics aren't bad...but everything besides that...

Huldrich Bullsh!t · Post by **Huldrich Bullsh!t** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:09 pm

Magneto wrote:
Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:
Magneto wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Saafir is awful and always has been?

Casual's Fear Itself is way better and it's not even remotely close.
im sure you're not the only one but you're still wrong
Lol nah Saafir is a complete hack. The off-beat flow is terrible, his delivery, his voice... just terrible. Well, his lyrics aren't bad...but everything besides that...

i think he has a great voice. understand that his rapstyle isn't for everyone but think its very dope. to each their own i guess.

can't get down with him rapping a little bit more traditional either?

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Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:19 pm

Magneto wrote:
Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:
Magneto wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Saafir is awful and always has been?

Casual's Fear Itself is way better and it's not even remotely close.
im sure you're not the only one but you're still wrong
Lol nah Saafir is a complete hack. The off-beat flow is terrible, his delivery, his voice... just terrible. Well, his lyrics aren't bad...but everything besides that...

keep in mind that Magneto also thinks Hitman Howie Tee is a wack producer so...

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:50 pm

Jaz wrote:
Magneto wrote:
Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:
Magneto wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Saafir is awful and always has been?

Casual's Fear Itself is way better and it's not even remotely close.
im sure you're not the only one but you're still wrong
Lol nah Saafir is a complete hack. The off-beat flow is terrible, his delivery, his voice... just terrible. Well, his lyrics aren't bad...but everything besides that...
keep in mind that Magneto also thinks Hitman Howie Tee is a wack producer so...

SHADE!

I did like the work he did with Lil Vicious....

But Saafir....garbage. The track that Hul posted with Chino, I used to like that track, and Saafir was more tolerable on there, but in general, he is a complete hack.

Huldrich Bullsh!t · Post by **Huldrich Bullsh!t** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:41 pm

Howie T did some nice beats for Special Ed and yes also Chubb Rock certainly not wack but in the grand scheme of things he's a very forgettable producer of his era