Onyx Vs. Mobb Deep

chiefbombpro · Post by **chiefbombpro** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:58 pm

Went back to 'All We Got Iz Us' the other day and thought about how musically these two groups are far away from each other.

Question is which one do you think is better?

Mobb Deep had the beats, Havoc was fuckin' them boards up back in the 90's.

Onyx had the rhyming down though, well mostly Sticky and Fredro.

Req · Post by **Req** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:25 pm

Prodigy was city blocks ahead of anyone in Onyx at his peak.

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:52 pm

chiefbombpro wrote:Went back to 'All We Got Iz Us' the other day and thought about how musically these two groups are far away from each other.

Question is which one do you think is better?

Mobb Deep had the beats, Havoc was fuckin' them boards up back in the 90's.

Onyx had the rhyming down though, well mostly Sticky and Fredro.

hands down, way more classics too.

banister kronos · Post by **banister kronos** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:36 pm

no doubt too masterpieces but i think we can't compare these two albums.
as group i prefer Onyx i find them more real than M.D.

papers · Post by **papers** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:42 pm

mobb deep for sure, not much of a competition.

hell on earth >>> any onyx album.

chiefbombpro · Post by **chiefbombpro** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:58 pm

All We Got Iz Us is comparable to Hell On Earth, no doubt.

papers · Post by **papers** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:11 pm

chiefbombpro wrote:All We Got Iz Us is comparable to Hell On Earth, no doubt.

I'd say I enjoyed Hell On Earth more. I just can't listen to an onyx album in one sitting.

Send One · Post by **Send One** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:37 am

Mobb. And it aint close.

vinylpops · Post by **vinylpops** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:39 am

I love the fuck out of Onyx. But Mobb Deep >>>>>.

More Gravy Please · Post by **More Gravy Please** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:00 am

It's Mobb Deep for me, no real competition as far as albums go, but to be fair to Onyx, their impact and influence on the sound of Hip Hop at the time was similar to Mobb Deep's. Look at the slew of imitators that suddenly popped up right after Bacdafucup and The Infamous... dropped. One overlooked Onyx track is 'Overshine' which showed that they didn't need to grunt & growl all of the time to be effective.

The Afronaut · Post by **The Afronaut** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:24 am

vinylpops wrote:I love the fuck out of Onyx. But Mobb Deep >>>>>.

More Gravy Please wrote:One overlooked Onyx track is 'Overshine'

goodHEROX420 · Post by **goodHEROX420** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:30 pm

Req wrote:Prodigy was city blocks ahead of anyone in Onyx at his peak.

this..

Bigg Boss Luciano · Post by **Bigg Boss Luciano** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:41 pm

M.O.P.... oh wait...

Nah, seriously, I got crazy love for Mobb Deep, but I gotta go with Onyx.

Mark 563 · Post by **Mark 563** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:18 pm

chiefbombpro wrote: Onyx had the rhyming down though, well mostly Sticky and Fredro.

Prodigy was a better emcee than any of Onyx.

I'm probably a biger Onyx fan than most (or at least, hold their first album in much higher regard than many), but even I'd side with Mobb Deep, if for their second and third albums alone.

Huldrich Bullsh!t · Post by **Huldrich Bullsh!t** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:31 pm

i can't even comprehend how anyone would vote for Onyx. they had their moment but don't come close to Mobb Deep in any aspect. Prodigy was way ahead as a lyricist and i wouldnt even put Havoc behind them either. actually i think Havoc is pretty underrated because Prodigiy outshined him so hard.

Mobb Deep made tiemeless music. onyx as i said in Gloss's outdated songs thread are very much confined to their limited timeframe. to a degree im a fan of the aesthetics they represented so i can enjoy an Onyx track from time to time but more often i prefer not to get shouted at

chiefbombpro · Post by **chiefbombpro** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:44 pm

I'm saying though, had Onyx stayed on track and had another album like their second one. This topic wouldn't be so one sided.

Take each groups debut albums though. Both released in '93. I think Bacdafucup is better than Juvenile Hell.

Mr. J Selectah · Post by **Mr. J Selectah** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:16 pm

Prodigy a better Mc than all Onyx members? That's far from being reasonable. When i hear "Purse snatchaz", that does it for me. How can you even compare the rhyming styles of Prodigy to Sticky Fingaz? Who cares about almost everybody sampling P's verses for more than a decade?...that's not even an argument. Both groups had left their own trademark, street credibility, plus production would be equally solid.

Combo7 · Post by **Combo7** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:55 pm

No one in Onyx is even in the same universe as Prodigy.

Life Visualiza · Post by **Life Visualiza** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:58 pm

Onyx was soo gritty imo, up there with MOP as one of the hardest groups ever. Mobb Deep was the laid back street shit you never hear Prodigy or Havoc screaming or anything but Onyx was always get hyped to fuck some niggaz up shit. I love both of these groups.

The Infamous
Hell on Earth
Infamy

vs

BacDaFucUp
All We Got Iz Us
Shut Em Down

The Infamous vs BacDaFuckUp
Hell on Earth = All We Got Iz Us
Murda Muzik vs Shut Em Down

But if we take all the verses from any of the members...Prodigy wins it hands down.

Yo, the heavy metal king hold big shit, with spare clips
You seein clips when the mac spit your top got split
Layin dead with open eyes close his eyelids
Turn off his lights switch to darkness, cause deep in the abyss
Is street life, blood on my kicks, shit on my knife
Youse the wild child, kid cold turnin men into mice
I was born to take power leave my mark on this planet
The Phantom of Crime Rap, niggas is left stranded
Shut down your operation, closed for business
Leave a foul taste in your mouth, like Guinness
POW niggas is found MIA
We move like the special forces, green beret
Heavily around my throat, I don't play
Shit brand new, back in eighty-nine, the same way
The God P walk with a limp see, but simply
To simplify shit, no man can go against me
Test me you must be bent G, don't tempt me
I had this full clip for so long, it needs to empty
The reason why it full for so long, cause I don't waste shit
You properly hit, blood in your mouth, so you could taste it
Quiet as kept, I lay back and watch the world spin
I hear thugs, claimin that they gonna rob the Mobb
When they see us, I tell you what black, here's the issue
It's a package deal, you rob me, you take this message
Along with that, I ain't your average cat
Fuck rap, I'm tryin to make CREAM and that's that
Whatever it takes however it gots to go down
Four mikes on stage a motherfuckin four pound
Speakers leakin out sound and niggas leakin on the ground
I could truely care less the God will get his
Regardless blow for blow let's find out who wear hardest
This rap artist used to be a stickup artist
Sometimes I test myself see if I still got it
A live nigga stay on point never diss
Regard shit or forget the essence, from which I emerged
P is sick, so save that bullshit for the burbs
Live up to my word, if I got beef, niggas comin in herds
We flush through your click get purged

fatboybrandon · Post by **fatboybrandon** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:11 am

Life Visualiza wrote: But if we take all the verses from any of the members...Prodigy wins it hands down.

Agreed. I've gotta go with Mobb when I look at their longevity and growth as a group, it seems they've held it together better over time more than Onyx has.

odium-LSC · Post by **odium-LSC** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:54 am

This is a no brainer. I like onyx and still listen to all we got iz us on a semi-regular basis but their albums are way more dated sounding than any of mobb deeps albums aside from juvenile hell. And prodigy is insanely better than anyone in onyx.

Life Visualiza · Post by **Life Visualiza** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:48 am

I think the Onyx members are better than Mobb Deep NOW because Mobb Deep seems burnt out like fuck. Prodigy got a weak ass flow nowadays.

One thing I loved about Onyx is the energy they brought to the tracks. A better comparison wouldda been MOP vs Onyx. Mobb Deep was instrumental in changing the whole NY sound so any head would choose them over Onyx.

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:18 pm

Bigg Boss Luciano wrote:M.O.P.... oh wait...

You got a point though. If you're going to look at Onyx vs. another 90s NY rap group, M.O.P. is the obvious comparison.

I pick Mobb in this.

hellriser · Post by **hellriser** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:29 pm

mobb deep - its obvious

Huldrich Bullsh!t · Post by **Huldrich Bullsh!t** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Mr. J Selectah wrote:Prodigy a better Mc than all Onyx members? That's far from being reasonable. When i hear "Purse snatchaz", that does it for me. How can you even compare the rhyming styles of Prodigy to Sticky Fingaz? Who cares about almost everybody sampling P's verses for more than a decade?...that's not even an argument. Both groups had left their own trademark, street credibility, plus production would be equally solid.

yes he is. definitely

take each one's best 10 verses and put them against each other.

or another game take the ten best Mobb Deep songs and putthem against the 10 best Onyx tracks.
this whole thing shouldnt even be a discussion. it feels absurd

Verge · Post by **Verge** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:28 pm

Versive wrote:
Bigg Boss Luciano wrote:M.O.P.... oh wait...
You got a point though. If you're going to look at Onyx vs. another 90s NY rap group, M.O.P. is the obvious comparison.

I pick Mobb in this.

Yes that would be the obvious dead on battle, maybe we'll do that soon.

Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:onyx as i said in Gloss's outdated songs thread are very much confined to their limited timeframe.

To me or you, yes this is true. But they not only still listen to Onyx in europe and other places, but also the influence Onyx had on other emcees at that time is a partial cause for the recent years' resurgence of the random rap record craze. Just about every random record that has a growling emcee can be credited to Onyx by influence.

Anyways, I'm not a fan of teh growling emcees at all but i did love Onyx back in the day and still love joints like Purse snatchers Part 2:
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Voted Mobb but i don't think it's the most outlandish concept for a thread like some people are acting.

Huldrich Bullsh!t · Post by **Huldrich Bullsh!t** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:44 am

Verge wrote:
Versive wrote:
Bigg Boss Luciano wrote:M.O.P.... oh wait...
You got a point though. If you're going to look at Onyx vs. another 90s NY rap group, M.O.P. is the obvious comparison.

I pick Mobb in this.
Yes that would be the obvious dead on battle, maybe we'll do that soon.

Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:onyx as i said in Gloss's outdated songs thread are very much confined to their limited timeframe.
To me or you, yes this is true. But they not only still listen to Onyx in europe and other places, but also the influence Onyx had on other emcees at that time is a partial cause for the recent years' resurgence of the random rap record craze. Just about every random record that has a growling emcee can be credited to Onyx by influence.

Anyways, I'm not a fan of teh growling emcees at all but i did love Onyx back in the day and still love joints like Purse snatchers Part 2:
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Voted Mobb but i don't think it's the most outlandish concept for a thread like some people are acting.

onyx had influence i wont doubt that but when did they debut? in 93 afaik or had they a single earlier? there are random rap joints from earlier aren't there. those were kind of like Run DMC rappers on faster beats.

Onyx got some joints but as i said take your favorite 10 tracks of each group and put them against each other. it will be hard to argue in favor of Onyx imo.

CrimeFamily · Post by **CrimeFamily** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:36 am

Can't compere this 2, Different styles lyrical and production wise, but if i had to choose i go with onyx, all we got iz us...........

chiefbombpro · Post by **chiefbombpro** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:35 am

Both groups had their debuts in '93. Both from Queens. That's the correlation between the two.

banister kronos · Post by **banister kronos** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:28 pm

i agree completely with CrimeFamily all we got iz us is an incredible album.

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