The West's Equivalant to illmatic?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:15 am
im thinking
parappa wrote:im thinking
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Re: The West's Equivalant to illmatic?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:25 am
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:17 pm
good question
but what exactly do you mean by "illmatic"
if you mean a solo MC working with a variety of top notch producers, with slightly different feels, then its AmeriKKKas Most Wanted or Death Certificate, as far as I'm concerned.
If you mean a mid 90s renaissance album that changes up the game and redefines lyricism, then I would say All Balls Don't Bounce or Future Development
If you mean a classic album that gets jocked to death by rap message board frequenters and "heads," then its Soul On Ice
If its a great album that went wood in the hood while the other coast blew the F' up, then it's Mac Mall
i don't think there's a real west coast equivilant to illmatic, and to compare east coast and west coast is rather difficult. its two different games.
that being said, WEST UP!
but what exactly do you mean by "illmatic"
if you mean a solo MC working with a variety of top notch producers, with slightly different feels, then its AmeriKKKas Most Wanted or Death Certificate, as far as I'm concerned.
If you mean a mid 90s renaissance album that changes up the game and redefines lyricism, then I would say All Balls Don't Bounce or Future Development
If you mean a classic album that gets jocked to death by rap message board frequenters and "heads," then its Soul On Ice
If its a great album that went wood in the hood while the other coast blew the F' up, then it's Mac Mall
i don't think there's a real west coast equivilant to illmatic, and to compare east coast and west coast is rather difficult. its two different games.
that being said, WEST UP!
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:19 pm
Move Free wrote:Death Certificate
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:11 pm
there isnt one
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:20 pm
how did either of these records "change up the game"? ABDB sold like 12 copies then went out of print and future development didn't come out until like four years after it was recorded.Move Free wrote:If you mean a mid 90s renaissance album that changes up the game and redefines lyricism, then I would say All Balls Don't Bounce or Future Development
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:34 pm
Amerikkka's Most Wanted or Doggystyle.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:46 pm
I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet:
(although I am one of the few who thinks Chronic 2001 trumps this)
(although I am one of the few who thinks Chronic 2001 trumps this)
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:00 pm
the only reason i didn't mention it because it's not really a true solo but then again the snoop album i listed has a gang of guest appearances as well.admiral wrote:I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet:
(although I am one of the few who thinks Chronic 2001 trumps this)
off topic...but the way kurupt flowed on doggystyle...i can't believe he's gone this far down hill.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:44 pm
Lyrically it's gotta be Ras Kass Soul On Ice. Beat wise iono just too much heat coming from the west at that time.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:25 pm
The question is as absurd as the east coast version of "Doggystyle."
The answer obviously is: there is no such thing.
The location the album was concieved at is so intrinsic to the meaning of the album, there could be no substitute for it. The key to "Illmatic" is that it is 100% New York and nothing else.
"Soul On Ice" and "Illmatic" are similar in the fact that both were made by supreme lyricists at the top of their game at the time it was recorded. Buts thats where the similarities end.
PEACE
The answer obviously is: there is no such thing.
The location the album was concieved at is so intrinsic to the meaning of the album, there could be no substitute for it. The key to "Illmatic" is that it is 100% New York and nothing else.
"Soul On Ice" and "Illmatic" are similar in the fact that both were made by supreme lyricists at the top of their game at the time it was recorded. Buts thats where the similarities end.
PEACE
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:43 pm
ding ding dingmud wrote:Move Free wrote:Death Certificate
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:44 pm
DOC didn't have the sales impact, but his debut was one hell of an album.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:25 pm
Doggystyle
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:58 pm
I agree, to an extent, meaning that yes, Illmatic's point of origin is the cipher to appreciating and understanding the work and its impact, but I would offer that The Chronic is very similar in that regard.peanut butter wrote:The question is as absurd as the east coast version of "Doggystyle."
The answer obviously is: there is no such thing.
The location the album was concieved at is so intrinsic to the meaning of the album, there could be no substitute for it. The key to "Illmatic" is that it is 100% New York and nothing else.
"Soul On Ice" and "Illmatic" are similar in the fact that both were made by supreme lyricists at the top of their game at the time it was recorded. Buts thats where the similarities end.
PEACE
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:35 pm
man you old school cats... don't you know it's The Game The Documentary? That shit is Doggystyle, Ready to Die, & Illmatic IN ONE!
PEACE
PEACE
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:33 pm
hellaB. Ware tha Siniq wrote:man you old school cats... don't you know it's The Game The Documentary? That shit is Doggystyle, Ready to Die, & Illmatic IN ONE!
PEACE
PEACE
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:21 pm
Word. Soul On Ice doens't even come close production wise to Illmatic.peanut butter wrote:The question is as absurd as the east coast version of "Doggystyle."
The answer obviously is: there is no such thing.
The location the album was concieved at is so intrinsic to the meaning of the album, there could be no substitute for it. The key to "Illmatic" is that it is 100% New York and nothing else.
"Soul On Ice" and "Illmatic" are similar in the fact that both were made by supreme lyricists at the top of their game at the time it was recorded. Buts thats where the similarities end.
PEACE
The worst beat on Illmatic sounds better than the best on Soul On Ice.
Illmatic had 9 Songs, 5 producers & 1 guest spot with a bumpable intro as well. There is No wasted space from beginning to end, Illmatic is the kind of album you played front to back & then over again- 2 to 3 times at least.
There is no equivilent to it from the west, NY or anywhere else for that matter.
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:09 am
Soul On Ice doens't even come close production wise to Illmatic.
truth be told neither do the rhymes
truth be told neither do the rhymes
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:11 am
Philaflava wrote:ding ding dingmud wrote:Move Free wrote:Death Certificate