alpha wrote:not that anyone should be surprised, but GRRM said he isn't anywhere closer to finishing the books and he may do 8, and not 7... I'm just gonna accept that the show will pass the books at some point or another.
you mean the day may come when the fanbase is united? praise be
so i want to ask about joffrey's death in the book: does he kill himself by clawing at his neck? somebody mentioned this but i don't want to bring it up in the other thread.
I think GRRM is going to have to do what Robert Jordan did with The Wheel of Time, which is create an insurance policy for the story. That is to say: choose another writer to finish up the series if he dies. Jordan knew he might die before he finished, therefore he wrote up stacks of notes on the direction and conclusion of the story and passed them on to Brandon Sanderson before he died. In turn, Sanderson finished the series and did an excellent job.
The question is: Who should GRRM choose? Joe Abercrombie comes to mind. Also Glen Cook and Scott Lynch. They all do gritty and merciless fantasy quite well.
Lol how mad are teh non-readers gonna be when Sam persists through the entire run of the books so far and even gets his own terrible subplot, while Jon Snow fake dies as a cliffhanger but obviously comes back in the next book
drizzle wrote:actually not sure who you mean, put it in the other thread
I'm thinking of Lord Wyman Manderly. Fat and loves him some food, smarter than most everybody else, pretty brutal and gets some creative revenge (i.e. the 3 Frey pies), drops some good Frey zingers as well.
drizzle wrote:actually not sure who you mean, put it in the other thread
I'm thinking of Lord Wyman Manderly. Fat and loves him some food, smarter than most everybody else, pretty brutal and gets some creative revenge (i.e. the 3 Frey pies), drops some good Frey zingers as well.
That's a pretty solid theory, haven't thought of that. I like it.
Yeah, i thought for sure it was going to be the ending to this episode and then dedicating all of Episode 10 to the other storylines. Didn't he arrive while the battle was still going on?
Also there's a ton of things set to happen next week now:
Stannis saving the wall
Arya and the hound parting ways and her bouncing on a boat to braavos
Tyrion being freed, strangling shae and killing tywin
Dany's dragons being locked up
Bran making it to that tree
I'm guessing they end it with the Stoneheart reveal
Am i missing anything? I presume we're done with any Bolton or Greyjoy storyline for the season.
Thorne and Slynt show up after Ygritte and the other dudes attack from the south and send Jon Snow to treat with Mance Rayder the next morning. Stannis shows up while Jon is in Mance's tent.
wheels wrote:I'm a little fuzzy on the books, read them twice but it's hard to remember details over 6500 pages or whatever the fuck this series is up to.
Didn't Jon snow kill ygritte himself?
Yes, if I remember correctly, he shoots her with an arrow from roof of the blacksmiths or some other roof. That wouldn't translate well for the show, though. The love story between the two is important to show-watchers so they had to make it emotional.
alpha wrote:I thought someone else got her and he found her dying?
Ya this is what happens, Jon spots her once during the battle but he doesn't take a shot, after the battle is over he finds her dying and thinks to himself that the arrow that killed her is different than the arrows he was firing.
I'm bummed that it was Grenn that got got at the gate.
pretty happy with how they handled Thorne. In the books you think 'oh this dude is an asshole but he's probably a legit badass that just hates john'... and then it turns out he's just an asshole. In the ep they played it more like I expected him to act from his first scenes in book 1 and it was dope.
wheels wrote:Jon not actually killing ygritte off himself is going to throw off all the azor ahai speculation
seems doubtful the show is gonna get that deep into all this, at least as far as these kinds of details
If the books are going there why wouldn't the show?
you're referring specifically to the thing where jon possibly killing yigritte, which is never actually confirmed in the book one way or another, makes a parallel to azor ahai killing his wife to make the sword right?
i think the show will def allude to stannis possibly being a wrong pick and jon or somebody else being the right one, in fact the probably will get to the truth way sooner than the books; but the kinds of historical allusions like above are usually smoothed away in the show because they can't be explained without pointless drawn out exposition that exists solely to explain that possible parallel.
LOL at the ice skeletons, that was goofy as shit. I don't remember Jojo dying there but I guess he doesn't matter after this anyway.
Glad they did away with the retarded non-mystery of Robert Strong and are giving a bit of actual screen time to Qyburn
Brianne killing the Hound was aight, reminded me of Mr Manhattan taking the fall in Watchmen instead of a giant alien squid - it made sense in the context of the story as they were telling it, more or less. Weird that they faked out the bite like it's gonna fester and then nothing....
Stoneheart gonna be a cold open next season I guess, I really wish they closed with it this year. Would've made such a nice kick in the balls after the finality of Arya finally explicitly giving up the idea of re-uniting with the fam
I thought Bran's arc this season would end with Coldhands and then next season he meets the crow. At this point I'm wondering if Coldhands is even in this at all.
Also, isn't Varys supposed to spend the next year chillin in the walls in secret? I guess they never actually tell you where he went from after Tyrion bounced until he stabs Ser Kevan The Mild Mannered Lannister, but I always imagined him just skulking around the keep in disguise, waiting for shit to pop off
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