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thekeentwo wrote:do you think sam was in on jon's murder, or at least knew about it, when he asked to leave before hand?

cmon shun

drizzle wrote:Did they photoshop cercri's face on a diff body or did they photoshop out her tats?

had to be a body double? i watched twice but a lot of shots were just of the face. at least maybe the front side?

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tit deception. terrible.

I thought Drogon would have had a dope ass man cave, dude just living out in the open like that?

Yeah doubtful Snow is really gone, Melisandre bounced there for a reason.
When I saw the traitor sign I thought that they were going to burn him and then we'd finally get to find out whether he's secretly a Targaryen or not.

Can't wait for more of Franken-Mountain.

Just glad they got rid of stannis.

yea way to burn your kid for no fuckin reason. prick.

dumbass show pulls away on a 95% certain death but lingers on the blood trickling out of the person who like 95% certain to survive

the season had its moments and they did tick off all the major shit that needed to happen to move forward - Danny riding Drogon, Jon Snow stabbed, Cercei's walk of shame. gotta give them credit for not treading water with Stannis like the book does and just getting to his inevitable downfall. but overall... bleh. too much gratuitously unpleasant shit for no reason, too much of trying to create shocking moments without the proper attention to underlying plot detail that actually makes them resonate.

i remember reading something where the later shittier episodes of Twin Peaks S2 are described as 'somebody who's never actually seen the show overheard what Twin Peaks is supposed to be about at a bar, and just kinda extrapolated based on that'. I got that same feeling from this season of GOT.

why glad to get rid of Stannis? thought he was chillingly awesome....also...never really saw him die tbh

Drizzle, show caught all the way with the book? Will anything be spoiled if I go to book thread?

Double post

Pretty much caught up by now and quite possibly ahead of the books on some things actually. But there are also book things that haven't happened in the show that might still come up so.... idk ....

Does anyone else think that bringing Jon Snow back after a death scene like that might be a bit 'cheap' considering the near unblinking history of this show regarding character death?

I mean why not bring my boy Ned back if death doesn't matter all of a sudden.

The Afronaut wrote:Does anyone else think that bringing Jon Snow back after a death scene like that might be a bit 'cheap' considering the near unblinking history of this show regarding character death?

I mean why not bring my boy Ned back if death doesn't matter all of a sudden.

no, you're conflating all deaths for all characters in all circumstances as being equal and that's not the case. it's not that death doesn't matter, there are specific reasons why Jon would be resurrected, both in-narrative (he's the real chosen one, fire god has already been used to resurrect people who have a role to play in whatever, etc) and meta-narrative (without Jon the story has no leading protagonist on the wall/in the north).

Isn't the Red Woman bullshitting them with cheap tricks. Didn't she confess this to someone last season? Or was it the one before it?

Pretty satisfied with the episode, especially the scenes with Cercei and the religious fellows.

drizzle wrote:there are specific reasons why Jon would be resurrected, both in-narrative (he's the real chosen one, fire god has already been used to resurrect people who have a role to play in whatever, etc) and meta-narrative (without Jon the story has no leading protagonist on the wall/in the north).

Yeah, I'm with that. So why not just keep him alive in the first place?

Maybe this is a book/show thing but what does resurrection (beside white walker peeps) have to do with the story? Or perhaps why is it necessary is the question.

I'm saying that whole scene loses all gravity if you turn around and bring him back. But hey, maybe I'm trippin.

^the smoke demon was for real


imo john snow is a wolf now.

sansa ded. ppl trippin thinkin she's alive she ded. my buddy thought arya was alive too just blind. she's fucking dead yo!

i feel like the rumours about the night's king are gonna manifest in the present day. melissandra+evil king or something.

jorah gonna infect daario (we know he's the type of dude that likes to hold hands). then khaleesi gonna burn em both. prob gonna invade westeros by the end of s6. dope army. dope elite forces. she's got grey worm as a general, maybe get some blood riders too. ride or die.

How is the red witch bullshitting? She queefed a shadow Stannis that murdered his bro and a bunch of people witnessed it.
And the red priest Thoros from season 3 brought back the leader of the Brotherhood Without Banners multiple times.
Like drizzle was saying, the fire god's power is pretty well established at this point and there's no reason for Melisandre to go to the wall at all if Jon was going to stay dead.
It would be realllly bad writing to have that storyline end like that.

Also mind blown to find out that was a body double for Cersei.

i'm dtf the body double


imo the high sparrow fucked up bad. he let her go with a half ass confession. what he needed was the full jaime fucking confession that would delegitimize tommen. he's gonna try it with the trial, but imo no reason to go to trial now. send frankenmountain to stomp all the freaks and probably tear the damn building down while he's at it.

Tommy Bunz wrote:Like drizzle was saying, the fire god's power is pretty well established at this point and there's no reason for Melisandre to go to the wall at all if Jon was going to stay dead.
It would be realllly bad writing to have that storyline end like that.

Yo, this is purely speculative here, but lets walk down this road a bit.

The mutineers leave Jon Snow stankin in the snow until morning. The Red Witch sees him, convinces someone (who?) to help her move the body to a safe place (where?) (they arent going to burn him?) all without the mutineers witnessing and/or making comment, where she then does some fire magic to bring the homie back to life.

I mean...

The Afronaut wrote:

drizzle wrote:there are specific reasons why Jon would be resurrected, both in-narrative (he's the real chosen one, fire god has already been used to resurrect people who have a role to play in whatever, etc) and meta-narrative (without Jon the story has no leading protagonist on the wall/in the north).

Yeah, I'm with that. So why not just keep him alive in the first place?

Maybe this is a book/show thing but what does resurrection (beside white walker peeps) have to do with the story? Or perhaps why is it necessary is the question.

I'm saying that whole scene loses all gravity if you turn around and bring him back. But hey, maybe I'm trippin.

His killing and his possible resurrection are results of two different but simultaneous story lines revolving around the same character. The stabbing is a result of an internal power struggle in the Nights Watch and him loosing the confidence of his charges as a commander. The resurrection is gonna happen because the Lord Of Light needs him to do his part in the upcoming ice holocaust and he may also just be the savior reborn or personified or whatever. It's not like she's rebooting him for another go at convincing Alistair Thorne that the Wildings are chill. His resurrection, if it happens, is gonna be a huge thing that changes the context of his character and possibly kicks off the end game on all the mythological stuff that's been piling up.

The Afronaut wrote:Also mind blown to find out that was a body double for Cersei.

You never watched Dredd? She was in a tank top the whole time, and did not represent.

Dorne was wack, except for the titty assassin.




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kit harrington shaved his head tho

so I just read NYT eviscerating the finale and among several totally legit critiques I saw this: "But the wholly unexpected killing of one of the show’s principal characters, the idealistic Jon Snow (Kit Harington), by his own men served no discernible purpose other than to pump up emotions, furnish a suitably grim ending for the season and create space for other characters..."

Quick show of hands from non-readers, did people really see this as totally out of the blue and unexpected? The beef between Jon and the more conservative side of the Watch has been building up all season, that's actually one of the few plot lines that imo they did manage to develop properly ( if maybe a bit too subtly). There has been a vocal and sizable opposition to everything he's done, Alister has been waiting to move against him for years now... just Ollie's fucking glares alone were good foreshadowing. Maybe you're not straight out expecting him to get attacked but things were clearly leading to some sort of confrontation. I'm baffled that the writer seems to have totally missed or ignored all this.

The producers are saying he's dead, and Harrington is saying he's not coming back.

This might be the first time in history a show killed off a character so seemingly important to the story that no one believed it.

Drizzle, they did set the tone all season. Never got to dance of dragons but I knew it was coming. I'd say he was riding good momentum due to hard home. At least that's my read on it

drizzle wrote: Quick show of hands from non-readers, did people really see this as totally out of the blue and unexpected?

absolutely not, in fact it was resolution and a long time coming. You never mix crows with wilds.

I didn't see it coming at all. I had (stupidly) assumed he was one of the few "untouchable" cast members like Khaleesi and Tyrion.