A Clockwork Orange

[Philaflava]

How did this movie make you feel after watching it? Did you love it? Hate it? Did you think it was brilliantly done and a true classic?

Just another hyped Kubrick flick or the O.G. masterpiece he's created?

[cascarrabias]

It made me feel real horrorshow.

[Jizzy]

Made me want to do some ultra-violence.

Heres an old thread Phila I did a year ago or so and my thoughts are on there...I'm too lazy to write them again.

http://www.philaflava.com/forum/viewtop ... ork+orange

[Matthew]

never seen the movie, but ive read the book. it was kind of sad what happened in the end

[FuckYou]

never seen the movie, but ive read the book. it was kind of sad what happened in the end

Wich ending? The American version or the British version?

[Sankofa]

Just another hyped Kubrick flick

[Andvil]

brilliantly done and a true classic

not my favorite Kubrick film, though.

[Philaflava]

Made me want to do some ultra-violence.

Heres an old thread Phila I did a year ago or so and my thoughts are on there...I'm too lazy to write them again.

http://www.philaflava.com/forum/viewtop ... ork+orange

Great read. I don't know how I missed that thread.

[Money Gripp]

I can't really watch this movie because of the fact that the Cro-Mags use the "Clockwork Orange theme" as their intro. When I hear that music, I'm thinking the bassline from "World Peace" is next and then I have to turn the movie off and go out and murder people while blasting The Age Of Quarrel.

[cascarrabias]

never seen the movie, but ive read the book. it was kind of sad what happened in the end

Which ending? The American version or the British version?

The book is British. So, I think he means the British version.

Personally, I prefer the Kubrick/American ending.

Wait. Which is which again? The American version has the missing chapter at the very end, right?

I prefer the ending with the missing chapter whatever version that is.

[oracle21]

one of my fave movies. i dunno i aint a fan cause of the violence. just dope story throughout. not to mention the sible changes in the movie. very dope!!!

[The Comedian]

While Malcolm McDowell is brilliant in the film, overall I'm not very fond of it...it just doesn't hold up to the book...

:) THE COMEDIAN :)

[De Seven Free]

Wait. Which is which again? The American version has the missing chapter at the very end, right?

No, it's missing in the American version, unless it's been reinstated. I always thought the missing chapter was overated, it seems kinda stuck on.

[Jizzy]

Made me want to do some ultra-violence.

Heres an old thread Phila I did a year ago or so and my thoughts are on there...I'm too lazy to write them again.

http://www.philaflava.com/forum/viewtop ... ork+orange

Great read. I don't know how I missed that thread.

Well it was August last year so you were probably out enjoying the Florida sun!

[FoJaR]

whats the difference between the endings?

[Noah]

whats the difference between the endings?

Spoiler ahoy!

Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange

Eventually Alex falls foul of some of his former victims, and the ensuing political fuss results in the removal by the state of his conditioning; he gleefully returns to his early habits but finds he has lost the taste for it, a more mature responsible unit of society. The 20th chapter ends the original American edition on a dark note, with Alex listening joyfully to Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, and eagerly anticipating his return to creating havoc.

It is at this point that early American editions of the book end, but there is a 21st chapter which was dropped at the time of US publication. Burgess says that the original American publisher dropped his final chapter in an effort to make the book more depressing. The intended book was divided into three parts of 7 chapters each, which added up to be 21, a symbolic age at which a child earns his rights (when the novel was written). There is controversy as to whether the 21st chapter makes the book better or makes the book worse. In the 21st chapter, which takes place a few years after the 20th, we find Alex realising that his violent phase is over, but that it was inevitable. A few of the old characters are reincarnated as new friends of Alex. He thinks of starting a family, while thinking that his children will be as violent as he was, for a time. It should be noted that the movie version which was directed by Stanley Kubrick follows the American version of the book, ending prior the events of the 21st chapter. Kubrick has claimed that he was unaware of the non-American version of the book at the time that he filmed the movie.

[Trademark]

the british always have to have a tea party ending.....

[Epitome]

Here's some interesting observations about this film that I must admit are mostly not my own.

Consider to yourself, One: how much of this film is supposed to be hallucination? Two: How much of this movie is in fact about movies or performances in general, even the "tyranny" of movies and performances so to speak.

The Droogs engage in performances. Their speech is comically theatrical and bombastic. Their rival gang is discovered on a stage, where they fight them (with comical stage-like stunt coordination). Throughout the movie their is a focus on the eye(the camera)of which only one is encricled in black. They wear ridiculous costumes.

The sex with the two chicks at the record vender is cast as a performance (and photographed that way) complete with appropriate score. Malcolm Mclaren's characters' rehabilitiation entails being forced to watch violent, pornographic movies. When his therapy is over, he demonstrates his rehabilitation by performing on a stage and essentially acting out scenes in front of an audience.

Recall the absurd scene where he goes back home, realized his parents have effectively adopted another son and proclaims he won't bother them anymore. Listen to the comically sad, sentimental music that plays when his mother starts crying as he leaves, it's almost satirical.

The therapy is forcing 'us' to watch movies like the one we are currently watching incidentally. The entire film can be seen as (pick one): one of the punishment films during rehabilitation; subsequent vision in the hospital; a musical drama played out in some Beethoven obsessed kid's head; a simple hallucination from the milk bar in the opening scene; OR a simple invention of the accosted (gay) writer (who pretends he had a wife).

Just some thoughts.

[cascarrabias]

Great thoughts.

[RacquetballGangsta]

i love this movie. i cant understand the pansy flowery faggots that hate on it.
its gotta be in kubrick's top 5 best.

i tried reading the book once..argh..how the fuck can u read that? with all that specialized droogs lingo i couldnt make a damn intelligible thing out of it..im guessing if u perservere, u'll start to get it?

[Y@k Bollocks]

The books dope - I read it when I was pretty young and I managed to pick it up after a chapter or two.

Films good too - it was banned over here for ages. I saw it when I lived it Holland. Those crazy fuckers had it on on a Sunday afternoon.

[Spartan]

It wasn't exactly banned in the UK. The BBFC had issues with several scenes in the movie that could result into copycat violence and requested that they be edited. Kubrick wasn't having it and refused to have the film granted a UK film certificate. It wasn't until straight after Kubrick's death that the film eventually got a UK classification.

Props to Psychotronic Video for always having it in stock and RIP The Scala for screening it and then getting shut down.

[some chick]

I first saw it when I was sorta young, high school-ish, and just thought it was weird, but strangly cool in a way.

Then later in a college film class we watched it and discussed it and it's now one of my favorite movies, ever.

I read the book a few years ago, too.. and I still think the movie is great.

[Jizzy]

Films good too - it was banned over here for ages. I saw it when I lived it Holland. Those crazy fuckers had it on on a Sunday afternoon.

I fucking love the Dutch!!

[A__TRAIN]

I loved the very first shot of Alex's face at the start of the movie, you gotta feel me on that one. It was soo creepy. That movie made drinking milk so g. Mcdowell did a good job in that movie. That tiny car they were driving before they raped that writer's wife was dope.

[FoJaR]

whats the difference between the endings?

Spoiler ahoy!

Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange

Eventually Alex falls foul of some of his former victims, and the ensuing political fuss results in the removal by the state of his conditioning; he gleefully returns to his early habits but finds he has lost the taste for it, a more mature responsible unit of society. The 20th chapter ends the original American edition on a dark note, with Alex listening joyfully to Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, and eagerly anticipating his return to creating havoc.

It is at this point that early American editions of the book end, but there is a 21st chapter which was dropped at the time of US publication. Burgess says that the original American publisher dropped his final chapter in an effort to make the book more depressing. The intended book was divided into three parts of 7 chapters each, which added up to be 21, a symbolic age at which a child earns his rights (when the novel was written). There is controversy as to whether the 21st chapter makes the book better or makes the book worse. In the 21st chapter, which takes place a few years after the 20th, we find Alex realising that his violent phase is over, but that it was inevitable. A few of the old characters are reincarnated as new friends of Alex. He thinks of starting a family, while thinking that his children will be as violent as he was, for a time. It should be noted that the movie version which was directed by Stanley Kubrick follows the American version of the book, ending prior the events of the 21st chapter. Kubrick has claimed that he was unaware of the non-American version of the book at the time that he filmed the movie.

thanks man... i dont think i would have liked the extra chapter.

[Clausir Jones]

Here's some interesting observations about this film that I must admit are mostly not my own.

Consider to yourself, One: how much of this film is supposed to be hallucination? Two: How much of this movie is in fact about movies or performances in general, even the "tyranny" of movies and performances so to speak.

The Droogs engage in performances. Their speech is comically theatrical and bombastic. Their rival gang is discovered on a stage, where they fight them (with comical stage-like stunt coordination). Throughout the movie their is a focus on the eye(the camera)of which only one is encricled in black. They wear ridiculous costumes.

The sex with the two chicks at the record vender is cast as a performance (and photographed that way) complete with appropriate score. Malcolm Mclaren's characters' rehabilitiation entails being forced to watch violent, pornographic movies. When his therapy is over, he demonstrates his rehabilitation by performing on a stage and essentially acting out scenes in front of an audience.

Recall the absurd scene where he goes back home, realized his parents have effectively adopted another son and proclaims he won't bother them anymore. Listen to the comically sad, sentimental music that plays when his mother starts crying as he leaves, it's almost satirical.

The therapy is forcing 'us' to watch movies like the one we are currently watching incidentally. The entire film can be seen as (pick one): one of the punishment films during rehabilitation; subsequent vision in the hospital; a musical drama played out in some Beethoven obsessed kid's head; a simple hallucination from the milk bar in the opening scene; OR a simple invention of the accosted (gay) writer (who pretends he had a wife).

Just some thoughts.

I watched it on T4 that week they were playin shit thats been banned in the UK everynight a few months ago

[De Seven Free]

It wasn't exactly banned in the UK. The BBFC had issues with several scenes in the movie that could result into copycat violence and requested that they be edited. Kubrick wasn't having it and refused to have the film granted a UK film certificate. It wasn't until straight after Kubrick's death that the film eventually got a UK classification.

I thought Kubrick himself withdrew it.

# The film was withdrawn voluntarily by Stanley Kubrick from the United Kingdom after being criticized as too violent. Kubrick has stated that the film would be released there only after his death. It was.

# One of the reasons why Stanley Kubrick withdrew the movie from distribution in the U.K. were, according to his wife Christiane Kubrick, several death threats that his family received because of the film.

[Spartan]

It wasn't exactly banned in the UK. The BBFC had issues with several scenes in the movie that could result into copycat violence and requested that they be edited. Kubrick wasn't having it and refused to have the film granted a UK film certificate. It wasn't until straight after Kubrick's death that the film eventually got a UK classification.

I thought Kubrick himself withdrew it.

# The film was withdrawn voluntarily by Stanley Kubrick from the United Kingdom after being criticized as too violent. Kubrick has stated that the film would be released there only after his death. It was.

# One of the reasons why Stanley Kubrick withdrew the movie from distribution in the U.K. were, according to his wife Christiane Kubrick, several death threats that his family received because of the film.

Yeah, like I said, he wasn't having it. Maybe I didn't it explain it too good. Bottom line is, most folks thought it was banned by the BBFC when it wasn't.

[kato]

the book was a lot better than the film, but the film was still real horrowshow