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most people i know in real life like immortal technique. i don't see any difference between what he does and what militant rappers from back in the day did. plus he's a good mc.


So militant rappers of the past sandwiched blaming Donald Rumsfeld for thier own personal failures as a drug dealer in between rehashed bumper sticker slogans and rudimentary headline quotes that would get you a C- in a 9th grade current events class? There is more genuine political insight in tshirts sold in chinatown then there is on whole of Revolutionary vol 2. He panders to an generally directionless audience that will latch onto anything vaguely resembling a cause because they're in a hormonal and rebellious age. Comparing him to the likes of Public Enemy is an insult.

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So militant rappers of the past sandwiched blaming Donald Rumsfeld for thier own personal failures as a drug dealer in between rehashed bumper sticker slogans and rudimentary headline quotes that would get you a C- in a 9th grade current events class? There is more genuine political insight in tshirts sold in chinatown then there is on whole of Revolutionary vol 2.


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Well, he isn't Noam Chomsky. He's a hip hop artist. I think expecting him to provide a detailed analysis and critique of US foreign policy and its impact on the world within the confines of a few 16 bar verses is asking too much. In the tradition of Chuck D, Woody Guthrie, Ian MacKaye, KRS-1, Amiri Baraka, June Jordan, etc. his art is a reflection of his politics and he uses it to evoke sadness, anger, fear, thought, etc. over pertinent issues affecting soceity: modern colonialism, white supremacy, police brutality, the corporatization of hip hop, the impact HIV/AIDS has had on people of color, etc. Technique is dope.


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The funniest/worst thing about Immortal technique is his I-just-watched-two-Michael-Moore-documentaries-and-now-I-know-who-did-9/11 raps. The fact that he intersperses them with necro-esque shock lyrics is even funnier.


exactly. He finds a way to balance amature conspiracy theorist lyrics with shockcroe bullshit lyrics over terrible beats. Really, his music is a mix of sadness and failure.

And his HHI rants were classic material. Somebody would give him a mediocre review and he'd post capslocked essays on how he was going to find the reviewer and murder his whole family.


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the one person I know who likes Mario Che is a Poly Sci major with a 2.1 GPA and he's also a huge conspiracy loon.


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Rappers need to stay away from general public msg boards for the most part. I remember Vakill used to post at HHI and was annoying as fuck.


why should we miss out on all the fun?

it's our music that everyone's talking shit about anyways :rofl:

i know it's usually a clusterfuck of chaos when rappers get online

but hell... sometimes you just have to say something.

immortal technique is respectable cause he puts his money where his mouth is (no pun intended) but he could diversify his energy a bit... revolutionaries are allowed to fall in love, too :rofl:

that "nice tits" story is :arrow: tho

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drizzle wrote:
So militant rappers of the past sandwiched blaming Donald Rumsfeld for thier own personal failures as a drug dealer in between rehashed bumper sticker slogans and rudimentary headline quotes that would get you a C- in a 9th grade current events class? There is more genuine political insight in tshirts sold in chinatown then there is on whole of Revolutionary vol 2.


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Well, he isn't Noam Chomsky. He's a hip hop artist. I think expecting him to provide a detailed analysis and critique of US foreign policy and its impact on the world within the confines of a few 16 bar verses is asking too much. In the tradition of Chuck D, Woody Guthrie, Ian MacKaye, KRS-1, Amiri Baraka, June Jordan, etc. his art is a reflection of his politics and he uses it to evoke sadness, anger, fear, thought, etc. over pertinent issues affecting soceity: modern colonialism, white supremacy, police brutality, the corporatization of hip hop, the impact HIV/AIDS has had on people of color, etc. Technique is dope.


Because his political views don't come off informed or even properly processed, they're not believable. Chuck D, KRS 1, even Ice Cube were able to cogently and insightfully critique and comment on political policy by showing how it affected and applied directly to daily life they observed, why is it too much to ask of him? Just because there's a lack of this type of content, doesn't mean a mediocre purveyor should get a pass. A shitty hot dog is shitty hot dog regardless of how much steak is around.

You're right to say that he invokes fear and anger, but he does it in the same way of blanket scare-tactic generalizations that his right wing adversaries are known for. There's very little difference between blinding yelling "kill arabs" and blindly yelling "kill republicans". Just because one appeals to you more than the other doesn't change the fact that they're both propagandistic slogans meant to motivate the crowd for the author's gain.

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And his HHI rants were classic material. Somebody would give him a mediocre review and he'd post capslocked essays on how he was going to find the reviewer and murder his whole family.

That's the thing though, it wasn't even just if he got a bad review or whatever. He was actually pretty well liked on the whole, but if someone ever made a comment that was anything attempting to be borderline, he'd go crazy. Like...

"Yeah the song's pretty cool I guess. Not sure about the third verse though..."
"FUCK YOU FAGGOT COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE NIGGA AND WATCH ME BEAT THE SHIT OUT YOUR BITCH ASS, I'MA FIND YOU WHEN I COME TO YOUR TOWN CUNT"

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most people i know in real life like immortal technique. i don't see any difference between what he does and what militant rappers from back in the day did. plus he's a good mc.


So militant rappers of the past sandwiched blaming Donald Rumsfeld for thier own personal failures as a drug dealer in between rehashed bumper sticker slogans and rudimentary headline quotes that would get you a C- in a 9th grade current events class? There is more genuine political insight in tshirts sold in chinatown then there is on whole of Revolutionary vol 2. He panders to an generally directionless audience that will latch onto anything vaguely resembling a cause because they're in a hormonal and rebellious age. Comparing him to the likes of Public Enemy is an insult.


its just not 'cool' to like rappers like immortal tech these days. there isn't anyone else really doing what he's doing. nyoil is kinda on the same page, but really thats about it. maybe sabac, but peeps hate on him too.

and of course anyone who takes what he says absolute truth is an idiot. i'm one of the biggest skeptics but can still get down with his music.

aside from his conspiracy theories, what is he saying thats getting you guys so riled up? most of what he says isn't that 'out there' (minus the conspiracy shit)


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So militant rappers of the past sandwiched blaming Donald Rumsfeld for thier own personal failures as a drug dealer in between rehashed bumper sticker slogans and rudimentary headline quotes that would get you a C- in a 9th grade current events class? There is more genuine political insight in tshirts sold in chinatown then there is on whole of Revolutionary vol 2.


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Well, he isn't Noam Chomsky. He's a hip hop artist. I think expecting him to provide a detailed analysis and critique of US foreign policy and its impact on the world within the confines of a few 16 bar verses is asking too much. In the tradition of Chuck D, Woody Guthrie, Ian MacKaye, KRS-1, Amiri Baraka, June Jordan, etc. his art is a reflection of his politics and he uses it to evoke sadness, anger, fear, thought, etc. over pertinent issues affecting soceity: modern colonialism, white supremacy, police brutality, the corporatization of hip hop, the impact HIV/AIDS has had on people of color, etc. Technique is dope.


Because his political views don't come off informed or even properly processed, they're not believable. Chuck D, KRS 1, even Ice Cube were able to cogently and insightfully critique and comment on political policy by showing how it affected and applied directly to daily life they observed, why is it too much to ask of him? Just because there's a lack of this type of content, doesn't mean a mediocre purveyor should get a pass. A shitty hot dog is shitty hot dog regardless of how much steak is around.

You're right to say that he invokes fear and anger, but he does it in the same way of blanket scare-tactic generalizations that his right wing adversaries are known for. There's very little difference between blinding yelling "kill arabs" and blindly yelling "kill republicans". Just because one appeals to you more than the other doesn't change the fact that they're both propagandistic slogans meant to motivate the crowd for the author's gain.
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also, aside from maybe PE back in the day. most militant rap isn't very profound. paris and lench mob for example. mostly just angry rap.

if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


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"Yeah the song's pretty cool I guess. Not sure about the third verse though..."
"FUCK YOU FAGGOT COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE NIGGA AND WATCH ME BEAT THE SHIT OUT YOUR BITCH ASS, I'MA FIND YOU WHEN I COME TO YOUR TOWN CUNT"
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if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


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The Immortal Technique post which lead to him gettin' stomped and tossed down the stairs at Fat Beats by the nip fellow from ughh.com :

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Okay you obsessive faggot.

I post on here all the time, and check the posts, BECAUSE someone always has something to ask me or tries to contact me through the site for shows, bookings etc. Why Wouldn't I check the forums..Does that make me less gangsta cuz I'm tryna make my business on point. But wait...there's more.

Let me break this down real simple for you you fuckin faggot gesalt, yeah I said your name now feel famous on the message board you netranger bitch ass pussy. YOU ARE NOT the streets, so if you're not feeling me I could give a fuck but all through Harlem, n*ggaz recgonize, I did the Million Youth March in BedStuy in BK sold out of all my CD's the streets have spoken being that I moved close to 5000 hand to hand at shows and IN THE HOOD... Where the rappers you probably dickride in the underground or the commercial world DON'T LIVE AND NEVER GO.

You wanna diss me cuz you're fav artist isn't getting as much love as me, you gonna have to come harder than that yopu fuckin' promo shirt wearin ass n*gga. I'm doin' an instoire at Fatbeats and I'll be at SOB's on SUnday COME THE FUCK THROUGH, AND SAY ALL THIS SHIT YOU WERE TALKING ON-LINE TO ME.


No more internet games. Just put up or shut up. Fake ass, sambo housen*gga.



Holla atcha Harlem n*ggaz,

Immortal


And another post where some kid said he saw an early Technique opening a show at Knitting Factory where he got booed and also offered the criticism that, although he liked some Technique songs like Bin Laden, Technique wasn't bringing anything new to the table which hadn't already been done by P.E or Intelligent Hoodlum :

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A. I never got boo'd off any stage faggot.

B. I'm sorry your your rap career never worked out, but don't be mad at a n*gga from the hood for speaking on shit that you just lack the eloquence to express. And the whole intelligent hoodlum thing. It's called reading, it makes hardcore HipHop have more depth and substance. Otherwise I'd just be spitting battle verses that wouldn't offend your fake progressive political stance. I read while I did my bid...I expanded my mind, if you were locked up you would have expanded your ass, so get that dick out of your mouth...

RIGHT NOW...GET IT OUT !!!!! Stand up straight you fuckin' reject, wannabe rapper.

And listen to the whole song stupid.

3rd verse.
The CIA really did see Bin Laden while he was on dialysis in 98. The Taliban was trained in part by the Israeli army funded of course by America. Why cuz it's not about religion, in the trenches no one cars about the jew arab question it's national interest and invest capitol that broker treaties. And as for all the things I said about Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, they are just true. Sorry you didn't write it first and put it out. I wrote that song in 2001. And I stand behind that and the rest of the album that was made cuz people like you just sit on the sidelines and talk about what they could do, and how shit is fucked up, but never do shit about it...Just try to make small meaningless changes that aren't revoltuonary at all. Why don't you come to a GAME meeting, Hunter College, Union for MC's and producers, DJ's. Kanye West is the new healthcare spokesperson. Come through and DO something...Instead of being a stan.


n*ggaz that never come up with Revolutionary ideas and feel like they COULD HAVE always gotta try and bring someone down who is makin' moves. That's why our people don't have shit. If I really wanted to cash in I would have signed one of the 7 or 8 deals that would have guaranteed a SHIT LOAD more money that I could EVER make off this record. I never make conspiracy theory joints...I spit facts.


When you turn down deal after deal to keep your creative control and publishing, then holla. Meantime, stay in your place.


PS. You said,

"im all for the revolution"

No you're not ... so shut the fuck up housen*gga.


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if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


lol or you have grown a brain


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if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


lol or you have grown a brain


you're dismissing political rap from the 90's as childish?

really?


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i think this thread made me like IT even more

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Balzac wrote:
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Balzac wrote:
if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


lol or you have grown a brain


you're dismissing political rap from the 90's as childish?

really?


are you a socialist :lol:


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HellRell'sToiletAdventure wrote:
Balzac wrote:
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Balzac wrote:
if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


lol or you have grown a brain


you're dismissing political rap from the 90's as childish?

really?


are you a socialist :lol:




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Balzac wrote:
if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


co-sign :copy:


I don't remember anybody in the 90's being mad because Paul Wolfowitz is getting in the way of their righteous left-wing revolutionary cocaine sales

But i do remember that a decent amount of politically-themed music, rap or otherwise, has ALWAYS been reactionary, poorly informed and pandering to generations looking for a cause in an uncertain time. For every Marvin Gaye, Bob Dylan and Chuck D, there's always been dozens of Immortal Techniques.

Also suggesting hypocrisy because I might have enjoyed something similar in the 90s implies that at 27 I should have the mentality of a teenager. For this to hold any water means I have learned NOTHING in the last 14 or 15 years, that my development stopped somewhere around 93-96. Is that how you two feel about yourselves, that your understanding of the world around you hasn't improved since middle school (assuming you're around my age of course)?

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also, aside from maybe PE back in the day. most militant rap isn't very profound. paris and lench mob for example. mostly just angry rap.

if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


that's kinda like saying if you liked Run DMC's song, u should have no reason not to like Nelly's

Difference is one's good, the other isn't


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everyone he yells at is a "housen*gga"


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Balzac wrote:
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Balzac wrote:
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if you liked that stuff in the 90's, but hate on it now you're fronting.


lol or you have grown a brain


you're dismissing political rap from the 90's as childish?

really?


are you a socialist :lol:




:ohcanada:


you're from edmonton right? you and your economy exist because it is expedient for oil companies to allow you to.

socialism is a bad look everywhere but especially when you are posting on a tuesday morning from a computer job in one of the most oil-rich regions of the world :lol:


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