Cannibal Ox Non-Album Tracks

COOLEHMAGAZINE · Post by **COOLEHMAGAZINE** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:34 pm

I assume we are talking post-Rawkus...but early enough to be a part of the NY indie scene maybe 1996- 2003 but not stuff actually released by Rawkus at the height of their power

Cold Vein & Operation Doomsday are in a class by themselves but I think that looking back, there are a few other genuine landmarks (deservedly or otherwise):

Dr. Octagonecologist
Black Mamba Serums
Fantastic Damage
Clear Blue Skies
Arrhythmia
Deadringer
Vaudeville Villain/King Gheedorah

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:45 pm

Dr. Octagon yes, everything else that wasn't already mentioned, nah.

COOLEHMAGAZINE · Post by **COOLEHMAGAZINE** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:16 am

Thun wrote:Dr. Octagon yes, everything else that wasn't already mentioned, nah.

Fantastic Damage and BM were both very highly anticipated within the scene, as the long-awaited solo output of Company Flow. 2 great albums that were also flawed.

Deadringer is the only instrumental record to come out of that scene that had a lasting impact, if only on RJ's career. But considering he is making TV commercials now, it's hard to argue with, I think.

King Geedorah and Vaudeville are the difference between where DOOM is and where Del is. Both released in 2000 (give or take) by artists who used to be on major labels, both well received...then Del did nothing and DOOM dropped two more, completely different records immediately, and all of a sudden he was more than just the KMD guy with the mask.

Antipop can't be edited out of the picture. I am not even a fan really, but the "wave" was all about progressive music and no one took it further than Anti-Pop. Oh yeah, and they were black in a time/scene when black rapper/white producer was pretty common. They opened for Radiohead, they were fucking with the live beatmaking, they were pioneers. They are STILL a pretty big draw as a touring act and in terms of critical attention, almost entirely off the strength of their early shit on Automator's label and Warp.

As I said before, CV and Operation are on a different level but the scene left more than 2 historically noteworthy records. I actually feel like my list was pretty miserly but if all you find worthy out of that era is Cold Vein and Doomsday, I guess I will have to agree to disagree.

Markshot · Post by **Markshot** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:22 am

Some great albums had been released during that "Rawkus era"
Scaramanga and Lootpack are worth of mentioning.

blessingindisguise · Post by **blessingindisguise** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:26 am

Yo Thun, Good breakdown on Doomsday. Doom did vow revenge on the industry after he had hit a low point after Kmd and his brother died. You did front on Rawkus before they started underestimating their fanbase. Soundbombing two goes hard especially without Evil dee annoying ass.

Anyway I'm curious why u didn't say Juggaknots when u said on the page before it was dope. Fantastic damage and deadringer were both solid def jux releases too. Overrated by borky backpackers but i could see why folks would consider them landmarks. Arrithyma was underrated by Anti pop consortium. I like the stuff they did with Matthew shipp.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:32 am

I said "nah" to everything that wasn't already mentioned in the thread, akh.

COOLEHMAGAZINE · Post by **COOLEHMAGAZINE** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:32 am

Markshot wrote:Some great albums had been released during that "Rawkus era"
Scaramanga and Lootpack are worth of mentioning.

Lootpack is West Coast but I left stuff like 7 Eyes, 7 Horns off my list because it is so obscure. Fucking incredible flows though. One of the best-rapped albums ever.

Markshot · Post by **Markshot** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:41 am

COOLEHMAGAZINE wrote:
Markshot wrote:Some great albums had been released during that "Rawkus era"
Scaramanga and Lootpack are worth of mentioning.
Lootpack is West Coast but I left stuff like 7 Eyes, 7 Horns off my list because it is so obscure. Fucking incredible flows though. One of the best-rapped albums ever.

I was writing Lootpack thinking about the Arsonists.
But i would include Lootpack if we are not speaking here about east coast only.

GLUS · Post by **GLUS** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:50 am

this is a great fucking thread. all around

to everyone

GM Dizzy Skillespie · Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:55 am

can Cold Vein even be considered Rawkus era?

perhaps I'm missing your definition of the Rawkus era, but I'd say that it lasted three years tops, basically going to shit around the time of Lyricist Lounge 2 and The Big Picture being the last respectable Rawkus release.

Cannibal Ox seems Post-Rawkus to me.

so Rawkus era is 97 - ?

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:05 am

Rawkus Era is the time prior to faggots like you discovering The Blueprint. Who gives a fuck?

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:26 am

i think you can maybe pinpoint the end of ruckus to the release and subsequent success of the styles p/monch song as the first single of soundbombing 3

by this point they were already in decline, but the fact that a rawkus song was getting mainstream radio play was big low blow to a lot of the fans who saw that kind of thing is the anathema to the whole scene's 'ideology'.

after that soundbombing 3 being a fairly big dropoff from the 2nd one was just another nail in the coffin

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:31 am

btw. i agree with whoever named Black Mamba Serums (which version is arguable). its not be the best thing the scene produced but it might be one of teh most underrated ones

especially now, when you compare what jus was doing back then with what the weird rap kids are doing these days you start to really appreciate how ahead of it time some of it was

COOLEHMAGAZINE · Post by **COOLEHMAGAZINE** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:18 am

drizzle wrote:btw. i agree with whoever named Black Mamba Serums (which version is arguable). its not be the best thing the scene produced but it might be one of teh most underrated ones

especially now, when you compare what jus was doing back then with what the weird rap kids are doing these days you start to really appreciate how ahead of it time some of it was

That was me and yeah, BMS is one of the few records I can personally say I bought when it dropped that really was ahead of it's time. I listened to it at least the first few times in a state of confusion but liking 65% of it, even if I didn't know why.

AWAE · Post by **AWAE** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:21 am

drizzle wrote:i agree with whoever named Black Mamba Serums (which version is arguable).

the original japanese edition.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:29 am

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:47 am

The Afronaut wrote:
HipHoppin wrote:I think Blockhead was on the compilation too
I think your right, I'm pretty sure he produced the Aesop joint "Bad Karma" off that.

Yup. I did that joint. I haven't heard it in a long time. :upload:

This thread reminded me that I had this unreleased el-p/can ox cut for years but lost it in a pile of blank cdr's. Too bad , it was dope.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:53 am

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get ready for all the free mixtape announcements your gmail can hold

GM Dizzy Skillespie · Post by **GM Dizzy Skillespie** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:59 am

Thun wrote:Rawkus Era is the time prior to faggots like you discovering The Blueprint. Who gives a fuck?

We didn't land on The Blueprint, The Blueprint landed on us.

Nav · Post by **Nav** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:40 am

Deadringer is easily amongst the cream of the "Rawkus era" whatever the fuck that means. Deltron 3030 and (hold your breath) Personal Journals too.

AWAE · Post by **AWAE** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:08 am

Blockhead wrote:This thread reminded me that I had this unreleased el-p/can ox cut for years but lost it in a pile of blank cdr's. Too bad , it was dope.

cool story bro..

Architek · Post by **Architek** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:42 am

manwhore · Post by **manwhore** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:51 am

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ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:32 am

I am probably two early on the rawkus era stuff, but my personal favorite to come out of that time is the yeshua and siah album/ep or whatever the fuck it was.

DLG · Post by **DLG** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:05 am

not feelin tht angels and insects song. I like vordul when his flow is super smooth, not this disjointed.

I'm with Thun on the fact that I have to revisit Deltron. Even though I thought it was very dope when I first heard it, I never feel the need to go back to it, while I revisit albums like Cold Vein, Operation Doomsday and Clear Blue Skies on a monthly basis.

Brougham33 · Post by **Brougham33** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:40 am

ALASKA wrote:I am probably two early on the rawkus era stuff, but my personal favorite to come out of that time is the yeshua and siah album/ep or whatever the fuck it was.

That album was pretty great. Anybody remember a track with Vast, Aesop, and Yeshua DapoED? I remember it had a sample from the movie Snatch in it...if anyone has that :upload:

Trademark · Post by **Trademark** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:57 am

Great thread. I agree, The Cold Vein is probably the best of that era with Doomsday trading off on any given day. All these Can Ox songs need to be zipped up and uploaded together so that we can DOWN LOAD THAT SHIT!

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:00 am

Trademark wrote:Great thread. I agree, The Cold Vein is probably the best of that era with Doomsday trading off on any given day. All these Can Ox songs need to be zipped up and uploaded together so that we can DOWN LOAD THAT SHIT!

Word and we need to run that shit concurrently on TROY and SB.

Anyone down to provide original cover art?

DLG · Post by **DLG** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:05 am

listening to Metal Gear again...does anyone have insight into whether some of Vordul's verse is freestyled? It sounds like he just blacked the fuck out and kept going off the dome on that one.

Alaska? hopps?

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:21 am

A lot of vorduls stuff started out as a written and at some point in the verse he would veer off and freestyle. He was one of the better freestylers I have ever seen.