גI wanted to make a street album with Marley Marl. I looked up to Marley as an inventor of so many styles of hip-hop music. I love what he did with Mama Said Knock You Out with LL Cool J. And being from the same hood, the second album had to be with Marley. So I started off with Marley Marl.
גI went in there and we went to work but Marley lives kind of far away. It always seemed like a mission to get there for me. We didnגt work every day, we picked the weekends. I didnגt [always] get out there eitherגI was getting in a little trouble here and there around my ways.
גAfter a while, some of my songs would appear as promos on the radio with all kinds of niggas rapping on them. And I didnגt even finish working on the song for my album. Like, I had a song called גOn The Realג that I didnגt finish. I was coming back to finish it and before I could, Iגm hearing it on the radio with people rapping on it. I couldnגt understand that. I was hurt and I knew I couldnגt work like that.
I read that earlier. That would have been crazy. It sounds like Nas sort of flaked out on the whole thing and didn't really show up or feel comfortable with it.
That whole piece just makes me love and hate that album. I like the album but just hearing them say over and over about how they had to make him commercial and tried planning it out so much just kind of made like ehhh I wish that didn't happen.
its crazy that Stretch has arguably the 2 hottest beats on this. Never really thought about it.
Tone: גNas always wanted to get his crew together, so he had been calling it The Firm for a minute. We had been trying different members out. We actually had 50 Cent in it for a little while. It just didnגt work out. We actually made a record too.ג
Poke: גYeah. The record was out! It came out on mixtapes and the whole cycle. It was crazy. It was 50, Nas, and Nature. In fact, Mary J. Blige was going to be a part of The Firm too at one time. It was just a conversation. She came in, we entertained it. She did a record with us and Nas that we put out with Mary singing on it and everything. Nore slipped in there, Mobb Deep. We kind of made it like, a real Queens thing. Thatגs why we tried to put 50, because 50 was from Queens, as well.ג
I'm assumin theyre talking about "Too Hot" and "The Firm freestyle"
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Req wrote:its crazy that Stretch has arguably the 2 hottest beats on this. Never really thought about it.
Then it's kind of weird at the end (i'm assuming they're talking about him) getting a free ride with publishing. Like he was luck to even get on the album.
Req wrote:its crazy that Stretch has arguably the 2 hottest beats on this. Never really thought about it.
Then it's kind of weird at the end (i'm assuming they're talking about him) getting a free ride with publishing. Like he was luck to even get on the album.
yeah, they're buggin, I dont think they appreciate how fucking dope Silent Murder is. Either that or they're jealous they got murdered on they own shit.
Magneto wrote:And I knew that "Lex TV sets the minimum" line was a Jay-Z diss
yeah, I didnt catch that til 50 Cent mentioned it a while back. Which makes "Imaginary Player" the rebuttal. Was something about the "your single was 99 cents, mine was 4 bucks" line.
'On The Real' is probably the hardest beat Nas has ever rhymed on. That song is fucking sick. The one on the Illmatic reissue was shitty.
Dont believe that about 50 being in The Firm at one time though - looks like Nas is just mentioning it because he's a big name now. Seems strange that it was never bought up before although he was rolling with Trackmasters at the time and signed to the same label as Nas. Dont think he'd have fitted in well with Nas, Az & Mega though.
K-Def: Yeah, I was working at Sugarhill studios at one time, and he came through there and he had told me something that he did the song ג25 To Lifeג and Marley got the credit for it. He said גYo! I know why you left, yo!ג Iגm like גWhat are you talkinג about? Whaddya mean גWhy I leftג?ג Heגs like גYo! Yo! He be doinג n*ggas foul!ג and this and that. He was saying he did that song גLA, LAג and never got credit for it, but I didnגt even know nothing about it. I thought his name was on the record, but come to find out that record was a white label [chuckles]. I donגt know if you ever heard ג Nas did a song, it was a song that Marley was playing called גOn The Realג. Remember that?
UNKUT: Yeah Iגve got that.
K-Def: I was on the radio one day, cause I used to the radio with Marley on pirate, I played that break for the first time and Marley had recorded that radio show and looped it up and then put Nasג vocals on it, and then claimed the fame for that track. Iגm not here talking dirty about it, Iגm just saying thatגs what really happened, so if you ever interview Marley Marl and you ask him about that, he should confer to that and say גYeah, that did happenג.
step one wrote:'On The Real' is probably the hardest beat Nas has ever rhymed on. That song is fucking sick. The one on the Illmatic reissue was shitty.
how you figure? it has the same beat & two new verses that are maybe better than the first verse (that's on both versions). also, the rerecording of that first verse is better than the og take.
EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:
how you figure? it has the same beat & two new verses that are maybe better than the first verse (that's on both versions). also, the rerecording of that first verse is better than the og take.
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Naw, he likes hip hop and rap. He was just referring to if he hadn't started rapping he would've been a cop.
So he's cursing it, not that he doesn't like it, just for the sake of it.
listen to Prodigy's style on that song. shit is EXACTLY how NORE rapped for like a year or two. not that NORE is the only guilty party, cause nuff cats stole from the MOBB dunns in that time.
nobody says shit about how Cormega is biting Ghostface's urgent crying gangster steez on 'Affirmative Action', though
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Had it saved on Favorites and just read it.... Some of my original resentment for this album just awoke The aftermath section has a good point but FUCK Steve Stoute and FUCK Trackmasters as a staff, record label and as a motherfucking crew, for being so manipulative at the time and taking too much ownership of the album today. I also hate Stoute's attempts at coming off articulate behind buzzwords like "marketing" "publishing" "crossover appeal" and all that cynical stuff... Dudes need to stay in their lanes and let Nas be the star of his own fuckin' thing!! Not one mention of TR136 either... FOUL... '96 was a conflicted time for Nas and they tricked him through a lot of hoops, it would take years for him to get back on the real path... I hope this article hasn't ruined IWW for me again but for the moment I'm back to hating.
EMCEE DARTH MALEK wrote:
step one wrote:'On The Real' is probably the hardest beat Nas has ever rhymed on. That song is fucking sick. The one on the Illmatic reissue was shitty.
how you figure? it has the same beat & two new verses that are maybe better than the first verse (that's on both versions). also, the rerecording of that first verse is better than the og take.
@ the jab at Jay-Z. Nas needs to put Shawn on his new album, real talk.
they don't even mention Cormega's name when they all talk about The Firm 
The aftermath section has a good point but FUCK Steve Stoute and FUCK Trackmasters as a staff, record label and as a motherfucking crew, for being so manipulative at the time and taking too much ownership of the album today. I also hate Stoute's attempts at coming off articulate behind buzzwords like "marketing" "publishing" "crossover appeal" and all that cynical stuff... Dudes need to stay in their lanes and let Nas be the star of his own fuckin' thing!! Not one mention of TR136 either... FOUL... '96 was a conflicted time for Nas and they tricked him through a lot of hoops, it would take years for him to get back on the real path... I hope this article hasn't ruined IWW for me again but for the moment I'm back to hating.