Kanye West (feat. Jay-Z) - The Joy (prod. Pete Rock)

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:22 am

This needs its own thread. So good. If only Common could find it in himself to drop a verse like he did on College Dropout on here. Kanye's second verse on here and his verse on "Start It Up" are two of my favorite verses of the year.

http://usershare.net/zpyioko9w4j7

Brougham33 · Post by **Brougham33** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:45 am

Yeah, I commented in the other thread, Kanye murders this track, some of his best shit in long time, surpised this isn't on the album.

step one · Post by **step one** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:46 am

Put it in the Kanye thread. Faggots get way too excited about Kanye's music.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:29 pm

step one wrote:Put it in the Kanye thread. Faggots get way too excited about Kanye's music.

Shocked that you came into the thread to whine about something, you bitter old petulant bitch.

Putting you on ignore. At least Employee (RIP) was an entertaining troll.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:59 pm

Song is cool.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:04 pm

Thun wrote:Song is cool.

I've noticed that you've been more open minded about new music (eg, your comments about Wacka and Nicki Minaj) recently. Why the change of heart, dun?

step one · Post by **step one** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:05 pm

Icesickle wrote:
step one wrote:Put it in the Kanye thread. Faggots get way too excited about Kanye's music.

Shocked that you came into the thread to whine about something, you bitter old petulant bitch.

this is funny because you're most likely a complete pussy who'd wet himself at the first sign of any aggressive confrontation yet feel comfortable acting tough online.

song is boring as fuck. Kanye needs to not rap and just make beats for people who arent Jay Z.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:06 pm

What'd you say?

step one · Post by **step one** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:09 pm

Icesickle wrote:What'd you say?

what bit confused you?

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:12 pm

Icesickle wrote:
Thun wrote:Song is cool.

I've noticed that you've been more open minded about new music (eg, your comments about Wacka and Nicki Minaj) recently. Why the change of heart, dun?

I've actually been listening to more of it! That makes a huge difference.

When I don't listen to music, I feel fine dissing it for no reason on message forums because it alleviates boredom. But when I actually give it a listen it feels too intellectually dishonest to just go the curmudgeonly route. Also, borkpackers are annoying. When I started writing for T.R.O.Y. again it made sense to breathe some life into the whole scene by acknowledging that rap is still alive and generative.

So yeah, you're going to see me contradict a lot of shit I've said around here in the near future, but it isn't due to some inversion of personal taste, just a change in listening habits.

stype_ones · Post by **stype_ones** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:52 pm

Love this joint.

As far as new music, I have taken the same approach since 1999 ish. Some of it is good and some of it sucks, but NONE of it sounds like late 80's- mid 90's stuff. That is just a type of music that does not exist anymore.

I enjoy and like listening to newer music that is played on the radio here in NY. It has it's own lane. As long as you view everything within the context in which it should be viewed, without trying to force something to be what it is not, then you can enjoy.

MF ZACK · Post by **MF ZACK** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:34 pm

It's good minus Cudi. Wish the whole album was like this jawn though :/

Can-U · Post by **Can-U** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:25 pm

god, this is a whole new level of good from kanye imo

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:46 pm

Everything is going good except for step one in this thread. I forgot who used that sample before but regardless, shit is dope.

truthaddict · Post by **truthaddict** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:36 pm

Brougham33 wrote:Yeah, I commented in the other thread, Kanye murders this track, some of his best shit in long time, surpised this isn't on the album.

They probably didn't want to pay for the sample.

Thirteen · Post by **Thirteen** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:31 pm

it's all right

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:39 pm

pradadon wrote:Love this joint.

As far as new music, I have taken the same approach since 1999 ish. Some of it is good and some of it sucks, but NONE of it sounds like late 80's- mid 90's stuff. That is just a type of music that does not exist anymore.

I enjoy and like listening to newer music that is played on the radio here in NY. It has it's own lane. As long as you view everything within the context in which it should be viewed, without trying to force something to be what it is not, then you can enjoy.

Disagree with your sense that none of it is reminiscent of older work, or that it has to be enjoyed in some rigid, ultra-moder context or not at all.

EDIT: i think I may have misread what you wrote. Correct me If I did.

Thirteen · Post by **Thirteen** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:57 pm

-SyLar- · Post by **-SyLar-** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:27 pm

Nice kanye track i havent actually listened to kanye since his debut album. i only wonder if the rest of the album is along the same lines.

but on the real that Lootpack track is jumping! opened my eyes to some unknown

Quotashun · Post by **Quotashun** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:53 pm

Pete Rock just started spinning live on Da Beatminerz Radio for anyone interested in checking it out; http://www.ustream.tv/channel/BEATMINERZ-RADIO

-SyLar- · Post by **-SyLar-** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:06 pm

nice one gonna record it

Odnet · Post by **Odnet** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:33 pm

This track also sampled it:

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truthaddict · Post by **truthaddict** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:51 pm

Masta Killa Track >>>>>>

odium-LSC · Post by **odium-LSC** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:25 am

-SyLar- wrote:but on the real that Lootpack track is jumping! opened my eyes to some unknown

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:00 am

I thought it was good but maybe not as good as some of you are making it out to be.

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:21 am

Thun wrote:
Icesickle wrote:
Thun wrote:Song is cool.

I've noticed that you've been more open minded about new music (eg, your comments about Wacka and Nicki Minaj) recently. Why the change of heart, dun?
I've actually been listening to more of it! That makes a huge difference.

When I don't listen to music, I feel fine dissing it for no reason on message forums because it alleviates boredom. But when I actually give it a listen it feels too intellectually dishonest to just go the curmudgeonly route. Also, borkpackers are annoying. When I started writing for T.R.O.Y. again it made sense to breathe some life into the whole scene by acknowledging that rap is still alive and generative.

So yeah, you're going to see me contradict a lot of shit I've said around here in the near future, but it isn't due to some inversion of personal taste, just a change in listening habits.

stype_ones · Post by **stype_ones** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:21 pm

Thun wrote:
pradadon wrote:Love this joint.

As far as new music, I have taken the same approach since 1999 ish. Some of it is good and some of it sucks, but NONE of it sounds like late 80's- mid 90's stuff. That is just a type of music that does not exist anymore.

I enjoy and like listening to newer music that is played on the radio here in NY. It has it's own lane. As long as you view everything within the context in which it should be viewed, without trying to force something to be what it is not, then you can enjoy.
Disagree with your sense that none of it is reminiscent of older work, or that it has to be enjoyed in some rigid, ultra-moder context or not at all.

EDIT: i think I may have misread what you wrote. Correct me If I did.

Well, I think most would agree that there are little or no songs that are sonically the same as tracks from the late 80's or early 90's. Don't get me wrong, songs are reminiscent, a la the "Sounds Like The 90's" series, but even those songs do not sound as if they were made during that period. They sound like they were made in 2010. They just have the spirit of the 90's. That was basically my initial point. One can be reminiscent, but that does not fully bring back something that is extinct.

As far as my second point, that is more me being caught up in my own mind more than anything. I do like, and in some cases love new commercial music that is played on the radio here in NYC. I just try to keep in separated categorically in my mind based on the lane it has created for itself. For example, a lot of people hate on Drake. I don't hate on him, because I respect him for what he does and the lane in which he resides. I don't compare Drake to Raekwon or an artist like that. I may compare Drake to Lil Wayne or Waka or Gucci, but I don't compare him to Black Thought or even Nas. It is two different lanes within the same genre. While that is a sad commentary in some ways, it's the only way I can tolerate listening to this newer music initially. It's kind of like how you said you needed to stop comparing everything to old Tribe songs.

I don't want to force that ideology on to others, because like I said, it might just be that I am just caught up in my own mind. Maybe that's what it takes for me to get into the newer commercial music. One could say that is lame, but it works for me and I can enjoy music that I otherwise would not have. It might work for others who have the same issue.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:17 pm

Word. I can get with that.

Another tactic, the one I've been relying on lately, is to deconstruct and look for influences, and view the newer song or artists as something that is rearranging influences, this helps me appreciate it more. Or not, if the influences are not honored or handled in a lazy uncreative manner.

-SyLar- · Post by **-SyLar-** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:45 pm

@pradadon - You and i look at it the same way. explained it down to a tee

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:31 pm