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so for leagues that DON'T use PPR, would you say MOJO is a stretch as a top 3 pick? I have the third overall pick, draft is in acouple hours, and am torn between Mojo and Michael Turner. One site showed me that when using last years statistics ATL has the LEAST favorable schedule against running defenses. That combined with the curse of 370 carries has me worried about Turner, but I won't have the PPR upside with Mojo in this league. Forte seams interesting, but I'd almost feel like a fool letting Turner slip past me at #3 this year.
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Looking to trade Chris Cooley for a WR what kind of trade is possible?

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Vintage Vegas, Part II

By Bill Simmons

Saturday

9 a.m.: There's nothing quite like the feeling of waking up in Vegas and having absolutely no idea what time it is. Is it 1:00 in the afternoon? Is it 5:30 in the morning? Is it Tuesday? Did I just sleep through the winter? Between heavy curtains, oxygen, alcohol fumes and the comedown of adrenaline, it's really like hibernating. I wake up, fumble for my glasses, check my cell phone and ג€¦ yes! Nine o'clock. That means seven hours of uninterrupted sleep. I'm already chalking up this day in the "W" column even though my lungs feel as if they were just dragged through the Lincoln Tunnel at rush hour.

My roommate, Grady? He's less excited. He's the color of cookie dough right now. Somehow, we successfully pull off back-to-back showers, dress ourselves and make it downstairs for a Coffee Bean run by 9:45, leading to this exchange:

Me: "I can't wait for coffee. I might climb over the counter and just drink from the giant Starbucks pot. I've always wanted to do that. Remind me to do that."

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Grady: "Too early for coffee for me. I'm getting a Coke."

Me: "A Coke? Why not coffee?"

Grady: "I have a hangover system. I need the sugar and the fix from the Coke first. Coffee comes later. That's Part 2."

Me: "Wait, isn't puking the night before Part 1, Coke Part 2, then coffee Part 3?"

Grady: "Yeah, you're right."

(These are the conversations you have in Vegas.)

10:00: After Coffee Bean, Grady orders a Sausage McMuffin from McDonald's and ג€¦ I mean ג€¦ can anyone NOT have a Sausage McMuffin if someone else is planning on eating one? Let's play two!

10:05: So happy. So delicious. I almost feel human. Hey, did you ever wonder why McDonald's doesn't just start lying about how many customers they've had? Currently, it's "billions and billions served." Couldn't they go with "trillions?" Or even "kajillions?" What's the highest they could say where you'd believe what they claimed? For me it's "kajillion." I would absolutely believe "kajillion." I throw this at Grady. A beat passes.

"Don't ask me to think right now," he finally mumbles.

(Did I mention that we're having a fantasy draft within the hour? I wish I could short the odds of his winning our league this season.)

10:10: We meet everyone else in the lobby. Mahady and I tell the "walking with Grady and wondering if he might puke" story (see Part 1) and capture 85 percent of the drama. "I could see it coming during our last shoe," Mahady tells me. "Suddenly, you and Jim looked like Apollo and Rocky in Round 15. [Sounding like an announcer.] There's SIMMONS with another cigarette. And there's GRADY ordering another drink! I don't know what was keeping you two up."

"The greats can take it to another gear," I explain. "Sometimes it's not about talent, it's about human will."

"And there IS gonna be a rematch," Grady adds.

(Note: I might die tonight. There's like a 42.7 percent chance.)

10:15: We're headed to Caesars to meet the CEO of Las Vegas Fantasy Superdraft, a fledgling enterprise that's aiming to become the World Series of Poker for fantasy draft weekends: a once-a-year destination/excuse for buddies to get together, gamble, carouse and pick a fake football team. Apparently the CEO's goal in life is to get everyone in America divorced. Through a connection, he hooked us up with a Caesars suite for our draft. Instead of our cramming into three cabs, Mahady negotiates a stretch limo for $50. Add this to the "great things about Vegas" list -- where else can you take a limo with 11 friends for 10 minutes?

10:22: Underrated part of any limo ride: Making jokes like, "Put the cocaine away until we get there!" and "It's too bumpy, I can't light this crack pipe" as the driver keeps nervously glancing into his rearview mirror. I love Vegas.

10:35: CEO Eric meets us in the lobby, cracks one of those, "Wow, you guys look HORRIBLE" smiles and brings us to our suite. There's a big table with 10 chairs, along with a wireless signal, notebooks, danishes, muffins, coffee and even a bathroom that has a TV in the mirror. Well, thank you! After CEO Eric leaves, we sit down for our first "Everyone's here!" draft in nine years and hash out our crappy rules.

A little history: Our league started in 1990, back in the pre-Internet era, when Commissioner Camp used Monday's USA Today to calculate scores by hand, then mailed updates every Tuesday (always my most exciting piece of mail every week, and by the way, writing that sentence made me feel 60 years old). Although we made somewhat of an effort to modernize things (adding a successful playoff system that rolls into the actual NFL playoffs), we remain the only league on the planet that still starts TWO quarterbacks. That's right, two. It's indefensible.

This wrinkle skews the value of QBs too high, I argue. Others chime in. The two traditionalists (Russ and Stoner) make their arguments. This is turning into Roe v. Wade. At one point, I belittle Russ' "Look, it's the way we've always done it" line by hissing, "Yeah, that's what newspapers said." It's getting heated. We need to have a vote before someone throws a chair. The vote for one QB: 7 yes, 2 no ג€¦ and one abstention. That's right, an abstention. Mahady wouldn't vote. We can't get over this. How do you abstain in a fantasy football draft vote? "I have my reasons," he says cryptically. What? What the hell is happening right now?

11:35: Bad start. People are hung over and hungry. Stoner and Russ are sulking. Mahady won't explain his inexplicable abstention. Bitterness galore. Our first five picks: Peterson, Brady (more valuable because of our playoff wrinkle), Forte, Jones-Drew, D. Williams. I go with Tomlinson (playoff wrinkle again) and somehow steal Calvin Johnson and Frank Gore in the next two rounds. But it's still pretty grim in the room. A struggling Grady takes Ryan Grant 30th (oof) and Joe Addai 31st (yikes), then goes to the bathroom. Next two picks: Portis and Barber. Grady returns, leading to this exchange ג€¦

--Grady: "Hold on, who got picked while I was gone?"
--Me: "The two guys you should have taken."
--Wyman & Russ: "Bammo!"

(That got the comedy blood flowing in the room again. Of all the things women don't understand about men, where does "legitimate tension in the room after a debate about the rules in which you pick a fake team of random football players and compete against one another in a fake league for money" rank? I'd say top five.)

12:12 p.m.: I wanted to emerge from this draft with one of these QBs: Brady, Brees, Manning, Romo, Rodgers, Rivers and (gulp) Kurt Warner. After 35 picks, six of seven are gone. And I'm on the clock. Which means I have to say the words ג€¦ (gulp) ג€¦ "Kurt Warner."

12:12: Flinching.

12:12: Yup, they're lobbing jokes about Warner's age at me like grenades. I have no comeback other than "He dyed his hair this year." Dammit. Time to lash out at someone. Given that Camp took Tony Romo too early (second round), and he's on the clock again, I slap this one together: "Camp, you should take Romo again since this is the round you should have taken him." Mild chuckles followed by this exchange:

--Wyman (appreciative): "I don't think you've ever used that one before!"
--Mahady: "Bill wrote new material for the draft."

(Wait, am I getting insulted again?)

12:20: The doorbell rings. It's CEO Eric! He's accompanied by two scantily clad Pizza Girls, five pizzas and a case of Bud Light. I'm not kidding -- this almost caused a riot. One girl is dressed like a cheerleader; the other is wearing Tom Brady's jersey and underwear (only if both had been shrunk to one-fourth the size). Later, CEO Eric described our reaction as "2-year-olds at a birthday party as Barney walks in." By the way, we're old.

12:40: Pizza, beer and awkward conversation with the girls is highlighted by a hungover Grady (wearing Tevas) struggling to keep things moving by asking the girl in the Brady jersey, "So, where are you based out of?" My favorite moment of the weekend so far. Slayed me. I want to see this scene re-enacted online with Zach Galifianakis playing Grady. In Tevas.

12:45: All the visitors leave, and we get back to the draft as the pizza wreaks havoc on everyone's picks. Somehow, I land Dwayne Bowe, Eddie Royal and Detroit's Kevin Smith in Rounds 5-7. If Kurt Warner comes through, I am winning the league. Period.

(Key part of that prediction: "If Kurt Warner comes through ג€¦" That's like saying, "If Obama can figure out this health plan, his first four-year term will be a success." Crap. Dammit. I'm screwed. You know, UNLESS Kurt Warner comes through ג€¦)

12:54: In a brilliant move to rattle the other married guys, Stoner starts playing online porn on his laptop. High comedy. He just took out half the room. We have guys breaking down the first scene Mark Schlereth style and wondering whether the loud actress involved has a safe word. Camp decides it's "apple sauce" and starts screaming "APPLE SAUCE! APPLE SAUCE!" This brings down the house. Porn jokes, beer, fantasy football, pizza ג€¦ have we hit every clich

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Texans beat writer John McClain expects Steve Slaton to lose 10-12 touches per game to Chris Brown.

Coach Gary Kubiak was reportedly unhappy with the running game in preseason action. Beat writers and coaches always overestimate carry numbers, so the number could be closer to 8-10 per game. Still, if the Texans use Brown similar to the way they used Ahman Green last season, it's a significant drain on Slaton's value.

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should I drop ted ginn/bernard berrian/knoshon moreno for Johnny Knox?

leaning towards Ginn because I get the feeling we've seen the best he's got, Berrian/Moreno look like they have a lot more upside

I'm kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on Mario Manningham sooner

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i wouldn't drop any of those guys for jnhnny knox. crappy offense STILL and i bet he's not going to keep that going all season.

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SuperFeen wrote:should I drop ted ginn/bernard berrian/knoshon moreno for Johnny Knox?

leaning towards Ginn because I get the feeling we've seen the best he's got, Berrian/Moreno look like they have a lot more upside

I'm kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on Mario Manningham sooner
Is Mike Sims Walker still available?

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Nl5H wrote:i wouldn't drop any of those guys for jnhnny knox. crappy offense STILL and i bet he's not going to keep that going all season.
I'm thinking as long as Cutler is throwing the ball dude has tremendous upside, the thing that worries me with Ginn Jr and Berrian are the amount of targets they will see per game.
Ramen wrote:Is Mike Sims Walker still available?
yes he is but again I worry about how many looks he gets in that offense

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Second straight week of highest score/highest margin of victory (+31 in week 1, +49 in week 2). My opponent left some serious points on his bench in the form of Chris Johnson, but the only way he could've caught me was by playing Johnson and Ronnie Brown, with Matt Ryan at QB. I left one point on my bench: Carolina D scored 3, Pitt scored 2.

The next highest score for week 2 was 105.

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Post by Ramen »

SuperFeen wrote:
Ramen wrote:Is Mike Sims Walker still available?
yes he is but again I worry about how many looks he gets in that offense
Well he's the number 2 opposite Holt.

Also Ted Ginn was tied with Andre Johnson for most targets at 16.

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I need to make a move to pick up a WR in case Welker is out once again on Sunday. I just can't decide who to let float from my team. Current roster:

QB Brees
WR Manningham
WR Driver
WR Welker
RB S. Jackson
RB P. Thomas
TE Cooley
DEF Pittsburgh
K K. Brown

Bench
RB K. Smith
RB Gore
WR R. White [bye]
WR D. Jackson [bye]
QB E. Manning
TE Carlson

I'm thinking I should let Kevin Smith go. Sound like the right choice? [EDIT] It's pretty much between Smith and Carlson. School of thought on releasing either player...
Smith - currently injured, may be able to fly under the radar if released. That said, the RB situation is a little bit thin in my league, and I'll need someone to start next week with the Saints bye week.
Carlson - with Cooley as my starter, Carlson likely only stands to see one week of playing time. Most teams in my league already have their TE position backed up as well. If he gets scooped, there are still possibilities in the form of Shiancoe, Keller, Boss, or M. Lewis.

As far as WRs available in the free agent market:
Johnny Knox/Earl Bennett
Pierre Garcon
Nate Burleson
Mike Sims-Walker
Nate Washington/Justin Gage

And a bunch of players around that caliber. This is likely a one-week move, so who's gonna do the most damage this week? Leaning towards Mike Sims-Walker.

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I would drop Carlson and get either Sims-Walker or Johnny Knox.

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Is this a good trade?.. Turner for Reggie Wayne?

I have Turner, Deangleo Williams, Brian Grant, and Lynch as RB already.. My WR are Andre Johnson, Bowe, Knox, Manningham. I also have Manning as QB, so it would be good to get 14 points every time they hooked up for a TD, but also come week 14 and 15 (playoffs) they both might not even be playing either.. Should I do it?

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turner is playing like shit. unless the people in your league are not that bright, then you can get another player. reggie wayne is a stud WR.

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I know this is one to watch as the week progresses, but...

-A hobbled Eli Manning vs. Oakland
-Brett Favre @ the less than stellar StL

I can't imagine either would be a bad play, but I'm a bit worried by Eli Manning's injury status- hence why I made the move to get Favre from free agency.

Thoughts? Opinions? Pros and cons?

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i would go with favre if eli is unsure. im sure he will play and oakland is a horrible team but so is st louis. i mean favre will get you much points as well. as you stated you cant go wrong either way. eli might not play the whole game either if the lead is plentiful .

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I am not sure for my third RB. My first two are Turner and D Williams. For my flex I have

Jerome Harrison vs. Bills
Lynch vs. Clev
R Williams vs. Jets (I know jets got good D, but new qb will mean a lot of running)

I am leaning towards Harrison..

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BigCat8 wrote:I know this is one to watch as the week progresses, but...

-A hobbled Eli Manning vs. Oakland
-Brett Favre @ the less than stellar StL

I can't imagine either would be a bad play, but I'm a bit worried by Eli Manning's injury status- hence why I made the move to get Favre from free agency.

Thoughts? Opinions? Pros and cons?
I would go with Favre. Oakland pass D is actually not that bad..

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naturalborn103 wrote:I am not sure for my third RB. My first two are Turner and D Williams. For my flex I have

Jerome Harrison vs. Bills
Lynch vs. Clev
R Williams vs. Jets (I know jets got good D, but new qb will mean a lot of running)

I am leaning towards Harrison..
I just traded Lynch and Vernon Davis for D Mason and Donald Brown.. Now I can't decide between my WR. I got

Andre Johnson vs Arizona (starting)
Bowe vs. Dallas
Manningham vs. Oakland
D Mason vs. Cinc

What other two should I start besides Andre Johnson? I am leaning towards Bowe and D Mason.

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Post by Ramen »

Picked up Crabs, doubt he'll have much of an impact. But have room to stash him, plus Niners get the Rams and Lions come playoff time.

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2 questions:

Matt Ryan or Favre this week?

Do I pick up Braylon Edwards? I have:
Ochocinco
TJ Housh
Santana Moss
Roy Williams

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Favre @ the Rams

Roy Williams is a joke

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wheels wrote:2 questions:

Matt Ryan or Favre this week?

Do I pick up Braylon Edwards? I have:
Ochocinco
TJ Housh
Santana Moss
Roy Williams
I would drop Roy Williams.. Do I pick up Edwards? I have:
Andre Johnson
Manningham
Bowe
D Mason
J Knox

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i wouldn't pick up braylon edwards yet under any circumstance...i would hold on it, and then if he blows up during the game, go and pick him up mid game before anyone else does...



j. harrison is going to be blowing up the spot now that edwards is gone and jamal is pretty much doubtful at the moment. he might even have the starting job.

matt ryan is throwing 2 picks against the 49ers....i'm calling it.

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Nl5H wrote:i wouldn't pick up braylon edwards yet under any circumstance...i would hold on it, and then if he blows up during the game, go and pick him up mid game before anyone else does...



j. harrison is going to be blowing up the spot now that edwards is gone and jamal is pretty much doubtful at the moment. he might even have the starting job.

matt ryan is throwing 2 picks against the 49ers....i'm calling it.
Yea, problem is my league has waivers starting Sunday at 1 till Wednesday, I think I am 7th on the list out of 8. I feel like dropping Knox, but don't know if it is worth it.

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Go with Choice vs. KC over Leon Washington.

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Pick two:

Glen Coffee vs. Atl
Steven Jackson vs. Min
Kevin Smith vs. Pit

I'm probably gonna put Coffee and Jackson out there, but I'll listen to dissenting opinions.

EDIT: Also, I like Owens over Washington. Good matchup vs. Cleveland IMO.

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BigCat8 wrote:Pick two:

Glen Coffee vs. Atl
Steven Jackson vs. Min
Kevin Smith vs. Pit

I'm probably gonna put Coffee and Jackson out there, but I'll listen to dissenting opinions.
That's what I'd do.
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Mendenhall or Coffee? I'm having a hard time deciding between the two.

I got Mendenhall starting over Kevin Smith in the PF league, but that decision was pretty fucking easy.
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Who would you start from these five?

Nate Washington
Braylon Edwards
Hakeem Nicks
Josh Morgan
Ted Ginn Jr.

All are projected in the 4 to 5 point range. I got the Mendenhall vs Coffee dilemma in the same league.

I'm leaning towards Nasty Nate, but now I'm reading that Cotchery might not play this week, so Edwards looks kind of intriguing. Then again, it's his first fucking game with a new squad, and it's gonna take some time to develop chemistry with Sanchez, so it would probably be a bonehead move to throw him in the WR3 slot.

Titans will be playing from behind the entire night, so Nasty Nate is probably the safe pick, but that would suck if Edwards or Nicks went off.
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