MLB Poll: Worst Trade Of The Past Quarter Century

Roy Johnson · Post by **Roy Johnson** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:12 pm

I'm trying to put together a Top 50 list of the worst trades that have taken place since 1985. There are about 45 of 'em listed here, and there's no question that I'm missing some important ones, so please add on. I'm leaving the Scott Kazmir trade out of this - it might have been brutal at the time, but Scott has sucked pretty hard since he left Tampa Bay.

an-also · Post by **an-also** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:31 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUwSxqnRW-8

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:32 pm

So many, especially Expos trade Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee & Brandon Phillips to the Indians for Bartolo Colon & Tim Drew

But Rickey got traded for basically the same players the A's traded for and he helped them win a World Series in '89.

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:57 pm

Philaflava wrote:So many, especially Expos trade Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee & Brandon Phillips to the Indians for Bartolo Colon & Tim Drew

First thing that came to mind when I read the thread title.

One that just missed the cutoffs date (I think it was '84-ish) was when the Phillies traded Larry Bowa and Ryne Sandberg for Ivan Dejesus.

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:59 pm

Also, the Santana to the Twins trade shouldn't really be an option as he was a rule-5 draft pick that the Astros left unprotected.

capable_keL · Post by **capable_keL** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:01 pm

lot of info homie, killin this shit

killin it

Roy Johnson · Post by **Roy Johnson** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:08 pm

Tommy Bunz wrote:Also, the Santana to the Twins trade shouldn't really be an option as he was a rule-5 draft pick that the Astros left unprotected.

True, but after the Marlins drafted Johan, they immediately traded him to Minnesota for Shawn Camp. Houston and Florida both get the gas face on that one.

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:22 pm

Roy Johnson wrote:
Tommy Bunz wrote:Also, the Santana to the Twins trade shouldn't really be an option as he was a rule-5 draft pick that the Astros left unprotected.
True, but after the Marlins drafted Johan, they immediately traded him to Minnesota for Shawn Camp. Houston and Florida both get the gas face on that one.

Still, it was a pre-arranged deal before the draft which is really common during the rule 5. Marlins wouldn't have taken Johan otherwise.

capable_keL · Post by **capable_keL** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:23 pm

chuck knoblaugh trade for christian guzman and eric milton?

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:52 pm

capable_keL wrote:chuck knoblaugh trade for christian guzman and eric milton?

3 bums. nah that's fair.

citizen · Post by **citizen** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:36 pm

"What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?!? He had 30 home runs, over 100 RBIs last year, he's got a rocket for an arm, you don't know what the hell you're doin'!!"

citizen · Post by **citizen** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:39 pm

1993: Dodgers trade Pedro Martinez to the Expos for Delino Deshields

seriously though, i remember delino deshields used to be somewhat good, but i remember reading a whole article in a magazine about how this was such a good trade for both teams, seriously bad trade

Roy Johnson · Post by **Roy Johnson** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:28 pm

Tommy Bunz wrote:
Roy Johnson wrote:
Tommy Bunz wrote:Also, the Santana to the Twins trade shouldn't really be an option as he was a rule-5 draft pick that the Astros left unprotected.
True, but after the Marlins drafted Johan, they immediately traded him to Minnesota for Shawn Camp. Houston and Florida both get the gas face on that one.
Still, it was a pre-arranged deal before the draft which is really common during the rule 5. Marlins wouldn't have taken Johan otherwise.

Gotcha. I saw that he was drafted and traded on the same day, but I assumed that Minnesota contacted Florida for a trade after the Marlins selected him. I had no idea that it was pre-arranged.

capable_keL · Post by **capable_keL** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:58 pm

citizen wrote:

"What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?!? He had 30 home runs, over 100 RBIs last year, he's got a rocket for an arm, you don't know what the hell you're doin'!!"

Well, Buener was a good prospect, no question about it.
But my baseball people love Ken Phelps' bat. They kept saying 'Ken
Phelps , Ken Phelps'.

ken fucking phelps

caught that bit the other night, LOLZ MANIA

internetfront · Post by **internetfront** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:03 pm

great thread.

Gregg Popabitch · Post by **Gregg Popabitch** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:14 pm

Tommy Bunz wrote:
Philaflava wrote:So many, especially Expos trade Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee & Brandon Phillips to the Indians for Bartolo Colon & Tim Drew
First thing that came to mind when I read the thread title.

along with the giants/twins trade that involved liriano and nathan as well as the phelps/buhner trade.

i'm willing to disregard trades that helped their team get to the playoffs though. baseball is a sport, moreso then any other sport, where GMs are willing to take a chance to make a run in the present. That is because, if you make the playoffs, it doesn't matter what your record is.......there are so many variables in play, that anyone can legitimately win the world series once you get into the 2nd season. So I respect GMs willing to take a chance on this, actually.

I'll vote on this later.

an-also · Post by **an-also** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:14 pm

citizen wrote:

"What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?!? He had 30 home runs, over 100 RBIs last year, he's got a rocket for an arm, you don't know what the hell you're doin'!!"

an-also wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUwSxqnRW-8

capable_keL · Post by **capable_keL** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:46 pm

Philaflava wrote:
capable_keL wrote:chuck knoblaugh trade for christian guzman and eric milton?
3 bums. nah that's fair.

knoby was an all star
guzman was an allstar
milton threw a no no, and won 17 games

around 2002,3,4 it looked like another terry ryan robbery

context baby, context

citizen · Post by **citizen** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:13 pm

1991 Reds trade John Wettland to the Expos for Dave Martinez

1976 Reds trade Tony Perez to the Expos for Will McEnaney, Woodie Fryman and Dale Murray

Gregg Popabitch · Post by **Gregg Popabitch** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:33 pm

dave martinez is a scrub but i don't think it's god awful. just a bad trade.

i'm so leaning towards texas trading adrian gonzalez and chris young for adam eaton.....for no reason.

how god awful is that trade?

Stunna7516 · Post by **Stunna7516** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:55 pm

The Expos/Indians trade is my favorite, such a good trade. Looks like the Choo and Santana trades are going to be great too. The Indians have made some excellent moves over the past two decades.

Gregg Popabitch · Post by **Gregg Popabitch** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:23 pm

Stunna7516 wrote:The Expos/Indians trade is my favorite, such a good trade. Looks like the Choo and Santana trades are going to be great too. The Indians have made some excellent moves over the past two decades.

Mark Shapiro stays stylin on other GMs.

peanut butter · Post by **peanut butter** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:54 pm

Yo, I didn't even know about that Sizemore/Phillips/Lee steal. That's amazing. How the fuck do you ship off all that talent, especially when they were so young? I was prepared to vote for the Giants/Twins trade when I came into the thread, but the other trade trumps it by a large margin.

PEACE

Roy Johnson · Post by **Roy Johnson** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:22 pm

How is this one looking nowadays?

2007: Marlins trade Miguel Cabrera & Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, Mike Rabelo, Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, and Eulogio De La Cruz.

There's still hope for Maybin based on the shit that he's been doing in the minors, but we're talking about Miguel fucking Cabrera. God damn American League MVP.

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:31 pm

Yeah that one didn't work out so well but they did pretty good in getting Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett

Kid That's Lifeless · Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:44 pm

Stunna7516 wrote:The Expos/Indians trade is my favorite, such a good trade. Looks like the Choo and Santana trades are going to be great too. The Indians have made some excellent moves over the past two decades.

I voted for this. Really wish Sizemore could stay healthy because he is one of the most talented all-around players I've watched.

Prophecy · Post by **Prophecy** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:09 am

Roy Johnson wrote:How is this one looking nowadays?

2007: Marlins trade Miguel Cabrera & Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, Mike Rabelo, Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, and Eulogio De La Cruz.

There's still hope for Maybin based on the shit that he's been doing in the minors, but we're talking about Miguel fucking Cabrera. God damn American League MVP.

Marlins had ZERO chance of retaining him, just like the Piazza deal. Better to get something for them than to just let them walk for free.

Roy Johnson · Post by **Roy Johnson** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:22 pm

Prophecy wrote:
Roy Johnson wrote:How is this one looking nowadays?

2007: Marlins trade Miguel Cabrera & Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, Mike Rabelo, Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, and Eulogio De La Cruz.

There's still hope for Maybin based on the shit that he's been doing in the minors, but we're talking about Miguel fucking Cabrera. God damn American League MVP.
Marlins had ZERO chance of retaining him, just like the Piazza deal. Better to get something for them than to just let them walk for free.

That's true. I'd love to see other trade packages that the Marlins were offered for Cabrera, though.

Gregg Popabitch · Post by **Gregg Popabitch** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:07 pm

Roy Johnson wrote:
Prophecy wrote:
Roy Johnson wrote:How is this one looking nowadays?

2007: Marlins trade Miguel Cabrera & Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, Mike Rabelo, Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, and Eulogio De La Cruz.

There's still hope for Maybin based on the shit that he's been doing in the minors, but we're talking about Miguel fucking Cabrera. God damn American League MVP.
Marlins had ZERO chance of retaining him, just like the Piazza deal. Better to get something for them than to just let them walk for free.
That's true. I'd love to see other trade packages that the Marlins were offered for Cabrera, though.

A lot of these aren't what were offered to the MArlins but what the Marlins were asking for:

-Marlins asked the Indians for Asdrubal Cabrera, Adam Miller, and more. Indians balked.

-Marlins and Angels discussed a package of Howie Kendrick, Jeff Mathis, another prospect, and the Marlins choice of Ervin Santana or Nick Adenhart (sad face).

-The Cardinals acquiring Cabrera hinged on Rasmus being included in a package. The Cards balked.

-Marlins asked SF Giants for Tim Lincecum.

-Marlins wanted 4 of the following players from the Dodgers: Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy Laroche, James Loney, and Matt Kemp. Dodgers only wanted to include 1 or 2 of them and other prospects. Marlins balked.

-Marlins asked the White Sox for Josh Fields and Gio Gonzalez.

-Marlins asked for Melky Cabrera, one of Ian Kennedy/Hughes/Joba, and 2 of Tabata/ Ohlendorf/humberto sanchez/alan horne.

-Marlins wanted Ellsbury and either Bucholz or Lester.

Roy Johnson · Post by **Roy Johnson** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:42 pm

Gilbert Subpoenas wrote:A lot of these aren't what were offered to the MArlins but what the Marlins were asking for:

-Marlins asked the Indians for Asdrubal Cabrera, Adam Miller, and more. Indians balked.

-Marlins and Angels discussed a package of Howie Kendrick, Jeff Mathis, another prospect, and the Marlins choice of Ervin Santana or Nick Adenhart (sad face).

-The Cardinals acquiring Cabrera hinged on Rasmus being included in a package. The Cards balked.

-Marlins asked SF Giants for Tim Lincecum.

-Marlins wanted 4 of the following players from the Dodgers: Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy Laroche, James Loney, and Matt Kemp. Dodgers only wanted to include 1 or 2 of them and other prospects. Marlins balked.

-Marlins asked the White Sox for Josh Fields and Gio Gonzalez.

-Marlins asked for Melky Cabrera, one of Ian Kennedy/Hughes/Joba, and 2 of Tabata/ Ohlendorf/humberto sanchez/alan horne.

-Marlins wanted Ellsbury and either Bucholz or Lester.