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Random Sample wrote:Penn State Sanctions:
60 Million Fine
4 years no Bowl games
4 Years of reduced scholarship recruits from 25 to 15
Vacates all wins from 1998 to 2011
5 Years Probation Period
Formal investigation of people involved by NCAA after criminal investigations

Way worse than the death penalty.
Do they get to play football next year? Then no, it's not.

They made almost 120m in football revenue alone last year and brought in 207m in donations last year even after finding out that their school harbors pedophiles. 60m is peanuts, the delusional cult of fans will make that up in no time. This is a fucking joke. The only good is that Paterno gets dragged through the mud but that's nothing more than appeasement.
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One opinion. Not saying I agree.
Why the NCAAג€™s Sanctions on Penn State Are Just Dead Wrong
Dave Zirin on July 23, 2012 - 9:17 AM ET

At 9AM this morning, a crime took place masquerading as a farce. NCAA President Mark Emmert, a man who in 2010 called Joe Paterno "the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach," levied a series of unprecedented sanctions against the football program Paterno built, The Penn State Nittany Lions. Emmert determined that the entire program had to suffer because of the role the late Coach Paterno, along with other leading school officials, played in covering the tracks of serial pedophile Jerry Sandusky. That collective suffering will mean a $60 million dollar fine, a four year post-season ban, and the vacating of all wins from 1998-2011. He said piously, "Programs and individuals must not overwhelm the values of higher education." It's not "the death penalty," also known as the end of the football program, but it's life without the possibility of parole.

Emmert sounds righteous. He's also dead wrong. His decision will of course gut Penn State athletics. It will also create a siege mentality among PSU alumni causing a rush of donations that, I bet, will make up the difference in a week. Itג€™s a farcical public relations move that distracts the public from actually holding to account those responsible for protecting Sandusky. Former FBI director Louis Freeh had said that the root of the problem was the ג€œculture of reverenceג€ for football. Penn State did more to confront this ג€œculture of reverenceג€ by taking down their statue of Joe Paterno on Sunday than Mark Emmert did today. If anything, Emmert strengthened that ג€œculture of reverenceג€ by choosing to grab the spotlight and bathe the NCAA in its saintly glow. But thatג€™s not the only reason Mark Emmertג€™s decision should be opposed. Thatג€™s just the farce. We also have the crime.

Today marked a stomach-turning, precedent-setting, and lawless turning point in the history of the NCAA. The punishment levied by Emmert was nothing less than an extra-legal, extra-judicial imposition into the affairs of a publicly funded campus. If allowed to stand, the repercussions will be felt far beyond Happy Valley.

Take a step back from the hysteria and just think about what took place: Penn State committed no violations of any NCAA by-laws. There were no secret payments to "student-athletes," no cheating on tests, no improper phone calls, no using cream cheese instead of butter on a recruit's bagel, or any of the Byzantine minutiae that fills the time-sheets that justify Mark Emmertג€™s 1.6 million dollar salary.

What Penn State did was commit horrific violations of criminal and civil laws and they should pay every possible price for shielding Sandusky, the child rapist. This is why we have a society with civil and criminal courts. Instead we have Mark Emmert inserting himself in a criminal matter and acting as judge, jury and executioner, in the style of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. As much as I canג€™t stand Goodellג€™s authoritarian, undemocratic methods, the NFL is a private corporation and his method of punishment was collectively bargained with the NFL Players Association. Emmert, heading up the so-called non-profit NCAA, is intervening with his own personal judgment and cutting the budget of a public university. He has no right and every school under the auspices of the NCAA should be terrified that he believes he does.

Speaking anonymously to ESPN, a former prominent NCAA official said, "This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried. Itג€™s unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow (the NCAA president and executive board) have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct."

Or as Yahoo Sports' Pat Forde said succinctly, "Emmert seems determined to go where no NCAA president has gone before.ג€

Emmert justifies this by saying Penn State ג€œlost institutional controlג€ of the football program. Tragically, the opposite is the case here. There was so much control a serial child rapist was able to have his tracks covered for -- at least -- 13 years. He is instead using this canard of "institutional control" to justify an abrogation of public budgets, public universities, and most critically, public oversight.

The discussion we should be having is how to organize the outrage of the Penn State campus and the people of Pennsylvania to expel the entire Board of Trustees. Just as the statue of Coach Paterno came tumbling down in the name of turning the page at Penn State, the board should follow. We should be talking about how to push for a full investigation of Gov. Tom Corbett and his own extra slow-motion investigation of Sandusky when he was the stateג€™s Attorney General. Former Gov. Ed Rendell, as a Board of Trustee during Sanduskyג€™s continued presence on campus, should be subpoenaed as well. But instead, we get the maiming of Penn Stateג€™s athletic budget for the grand purpose of turning Mark Emmert and the NCAA into something they have no legal right to be. Private, unaccountable actors have no business cutting the budgets of a public campus. Todayג€™s move by Emmert didn't bring justice to any of Sandusky's victims. It didn't help clean house at Penn State. Instead it was extra-legal, extra-judicial, and stinks to high heaven.

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stupidregister wrote:They made almost 120m in football revenue alone last year and brought in 207m in donations last year even after finding out that their school harbors pedophiles. 60m is peanuts, the delusional cult of fans will make that up in no time. This is a fucking joke. The only good is that Paterno gets dragged through the mud but that's nothing more than appeasement.
Just to be clear I HATE Penn State.

The 60 million fine is the revenue they brought in the last football season. That is what the NCAA said. They are going to have to use a large amount of their endowment in the civil cases of the victims. The whole university is going to take a big hit financially, not just the football program. They are going to have many compliance people there keeping a close eye on the money and rules.

This is going to have a long term effect on the football program.

Also all players are allowed to transfer with no penalty. They are also considering allowing schools that have their max scholarships filled to allow Penn State players to come their regardless. If you take Penn State transfers they may allow you to have more than 25 scholarship signers.

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stupidregister wrote:They made almost 120m in football revenue alone last year and brought in 207m in donations last year even after finding out that their school harbors pedophiles. 60m is peanuts, the delusional cult of fans will make that up in no time. This is a fucking joke. The only good is that Paterno gets dragged through the mud but that's nothing more than appeasement.
Just to be clear I HATE Penn State.

The 60 million fine is the revenue they brought in the last football season. That is what the NCAA said. They are going to have to use a large amount of their endowment in the civil cases of the victims. The whole university is going to take a big hit financially, not just the football program. They are going to have many compliance people there keeping a close eye on the money and rules.

This is going to have a long term effect on the football program.

Also all players are allowed to transfer with no penalty. They are also considering allowing schools that have their max scholarships filled to allow Penn State players to come their regardless. If you take Penn State transfers they may allow you to have more than 25 scholarship signers.
I don't think the punishment fits the crime. Financial penalty means nothing to me, it's a copout. I think all it does is motivate those assholes to donate more because they'll feel sympathetic towards their precious program. I bet they have the highest donations in their history this next year. That community needs a reality check and they got away with what, a shitty program for a few years? What kind of message is that? Just another example of the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of the NCAA. Fucking incomprehensible.
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^ agreed. We've seen this already. Look at the asshole comments around the Paterno statue coming down. These cunts will turn this into some sort of siege mentality / us-against-the-world shit and probably end up making more money in donations than before. Hope they get fucking slaughtered with the civil suits.
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Maybe he can keep spouting his senile bullshit on ESPN during the halftimes of Penn Rape games because THEY'RE NOT EVEN BANNED FROM BEING ON TELEVISION. Yeah, that "punishment" was suuuuuuuuuuuuuper harsh.
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naturalborn103 wrote:One opinion. Not saying I agree.
Why the NCAAג€™s Sanctions on Penn State Are Just Dead Wrong
Dave Zirin on July 23, 2012 - 9:17 AM ET

At 9AM this morning, a crime took place masquerading as a farce. NCAA President Mark Emmert, a man who in 2010 called Joe Paterno "the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach," levied a series of unprecedented sanctions against the football program Paterno built, The Penn State Nittany Lions. Emmert determined that the entire program had to suffer because of the role the late Coach Paterno, along with other leading school officials, played in covering the tracks of serial pedophile Jerry Sandusky. That collective suffering will mean a $60 million dollar fine, a four year post-season ban, and the vacating of all wins from 1998-2011. He said piously, "Programs and individuals must not overwhelm the values of higher education." It's not "the death penalty," also known as the end of the football program, but it's life without the possibility of parole.

Emmert sounds righteous. He's also dead wrong. His decision will of course gut Penn State athletics. It will also create a siege mentality among PSU alumni causing a rush of donations that, I bet, will make up the difference in a week. Itג€™s a farcical public relations move that distracts the public from actually holding to account those responsible for protecting Sandusky. Former FBI director Louis Freeh had said that the root of the problem was the ג€œculture of reverenceג€ for football. Penn State did more to confront this ג€œculture of reverenceג€ by taking down their statue of Joe Paterno on Sunday than Mark Emmert did today. If anything, Emmert strengthened that ג€œculture of reverenceג€ by choosing to grab the spotlight and bathe the NCAA in its saintly glow. But thatג€™s not the only reason Mark Emmertג€™s decision should be opposed. Thatג€™s just the farce. We also have the crime.

Today marked a stomach-turning, precedent-setting, and lawless turning point in the history of the NCAA. The punishment levied by Emmert was nothing less than an extra-legal, extra-judicial imposition into the affairs of a publicly funded campus. If allowed to stand, the repercussions will be felt far beyond Happy Valley.

Take a step back from the hysteria and just think about what took place: Penn State committed no violations of any NCAA by-laws. There were no secret payments to "student-athletes," no cheating on tests, no improper phone calls, no using cream cheese instead of butter on a recruit's bagel, or any of the Byzantine minutiae that fills the time-sheets that justify Mark Emmertג€™s 1.6 million dollar salary.

What Penn State did was commit horrific violations of criminal and civil laws and they should pay every possible price for shielding Sandusky, the child rapist. This is why we have a society with civil and criminal courts. Instead we have Mark Emmert inserting himself in a criminal matter and acting as judge, jury and executioner, in the style of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. As much as I canג€™t stand Goodellג€™s authoritarian, undemocratic methods, the NFL is a private corporation and his method of punishment was collectively bargained with the NFL Players Association. Emmert, heading up the so-called non-profit NCAA, is intervening with his own personal judgment and cutting the budget of a public university. He has no right and every school under the auspices of the NCAA should be terrified that he believes he does.

Speaking anonymously to ESPN, a former prominent NCAA official said, "This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried. Itג€™s unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow (the NCAA president and executive board) have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct."

Or as Yahoo Sports' Pat Forde said succinctly, "Emmert seems determined to go where no NCAA president has gone before.ג€

Emmert justifies this by saying Penn State ג€œlost institutional controlג€ of the football program. Tragically, the opposite is the case here. There was so much control a serial child rapist was able to have his tracks covered for -- at least -- 13 years. He is instead using this canard of "institutional control" to justify an abrogation of public budgets, public universities, and most critically, public oversight.

The discussion we should be having is how to organize the outrage of the Penn State campus and the people of Pennsylvania to expel the entire Board of Trustees. Just as the statue of Coach Paterno came tumbling down in the name of turning the page at Penn State, the board should follow. We should be talking about how to push for a full investigation of Gov. Tom Corbett and his own extra slow-motion investigation of Sandusky when he was the stateג€™s Attorney General. Former Gov. Ed Rendell, as a Board of Trustee during Sanduskyג€™s continued presence on campus, should be subpoenaed as well. But instead, we get the maiming of Penn Stateג€™s athletic budget for the grand purpose of turning Mark Emmert and the NCAA into something they have no legal right to be. Private, unaccountable actors have no business cutting the budgets of a public campus. Todayג€™s move by Emmert didn't bring justice to any of Sandusky's victims. It didn't help clean house at Penn State. Instead it was extra-legal, extra-judicial, and stinks to high heaven.
This is absolutely on point. Who, involved with the crime, is being affected/punished by the NCAA sanctions?

Let the criminal justice system work and level an even bigger fine. Why punish athletes in any way? They weren't complicit.

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The Ivy League Nigga wrote:This is absolutely on point. Who, involved with the crime, is being affected/punished by the NCAA sanctions?

Let the criminal justice system work and level an even bigger fine. Why punish athletes in any way? They weren't complicit.
So what? This never stopped the NCAA from punishing programs ever before, why did they decide to "take a stand" this time around? It's never been fair to punish people who had nothing to do with the situation but they've done it hundreds of times before without blinking a fucking eye. The one time actual crimes (and not some bullshit rules to "protect amateurism") are committed, they decide to give the school a pass. Give me a motherfucking break. The dude was raping kids in hotel rooms provided during bowl games, parading his victims around when people there knew what he was up to. They might as well never utter the words Death Penalty again in college sports if they aren't going to use it here.

This is a free pass, a bail-out. This school was too big to fail so they hit them with "unprecedented" penalties which in reality aren't shit. The NCAA let them slide instead of actually doing the right thing for once. Not that I'm surprised because it's nothing but a bunch of greedy assholes that don't give a fuck about students. All they do is give lip-service but they never walk the walk. They care more about a 20 year old getting a free pizza than they do about decades of covering up felonies.

They wiped out Paterno's last 14 years of wins which means they believe he was in violation of their rules for 14 years, right? So this punishment is for at least 14 years of incompetence. So $60million/14 = ~4m per year of covering up child rape. Throw in some bowl bans and pull some scholarships and that's fair?

I'll never be able to wrap my head around the amount of bullshit this whole thing has uncovered, from the delusion of cultish fans, to the hypocrisy of our educational system. They're fucking skating on this.

Any place that can't survive without a college football program needs to be blown up anyway.
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The Ivy League Nigga wrote:This is absolutely on point. Who, involved with the crime, is being affected/punished by the NCAA sanctions?

Let the criminal justice system work and level an even bigger fine. Why punish athletes in any way? They weren't complicit.
So what? This never stopped the NCAA from punishing programs ever before, why did they decide to "take a stand" this time around? It's never been fair to punish people who had nothing to do with the situation but they've done it hundreds of times before without blinking a fucking eye. The one time actual crimes (and not some bullshit rules to "protect amateurism") are committed, they decide to give the school a pass. Give me a motherfucking break. The dude was raping kids in hotel rooms provided during bowl games, parading his victims around when people there knew what he was up to. They might as well never utter the words Death Penalty again in college sports if they aren't going to use it here.

This is a free pass, a bail-out. This school was too big to fail so they hit them with "unprecedented" penalties which in reality aren't shit. The NCAA let them slide instead of actually doing the right thing for once. Not that I'm surprised because it's nothing but a bunch of greedy assholes that don't give a fuck about students. All they do is give lip-service but they never walk the walk. They care more about a 20 year old getting a free pizza than they do about decades of covering up felonies.

They wiped out Paterno's last 14 years of wins which means they believe he was in violation of their rules for 14 years, right? So this punishment is for at least 14 years of incompetence. So $60million/14 = ~4m per year of covering up child rape. Throw in some bowl bans and pull some scholarships and that's fair?

I'll never be able to wrap my head around the amount of bullshit this whole thing has uncovered, from the delusion of cultish fans, to the hypocrisy of our educational system. They're fucking skating on this.

Any place that can't survive without a college football program needs to be blown up anyway.
Serious question: who currently on the football team's staff has been implicated in the cover up or molestations?

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The Ivy League Nigga wrote:This is absolutely on point. Who, involved with the crime, is being affected/punished by the NCAA sanctions?

Let the criminal justice system work and level an even bigger fine. Why punish athletes in any way? They weren't complicit.
So what? This never stopped the NCAA from punishing programs ever before, why did they decide to "take a stand" this time around? It's never been fair to punish people who had nothing to do with the situation but they've done it hundreds of times before without blinking a fucking eye. The one time actual crimes (and not some bullshit rules to "protect amateurism") are committed, they decide to give the school a pass. Give me a motherfucking break. The dude was raping kids in hotel rooms provided during bowl games, parading his victims around when people there knew what he was up to. They might as well never utter the words Death Penalty again in college sports if they aren't going to use it here.

This is a free pass, a bail-out. This school was too big to fail so they hit them with "unprecedented" penalties which in reality aren't shit. The NCAA let them slide instead of actually doing the right thing for once. Not that I'm surprised because it's nothing but a bunch of greedy assholes that don't give a fuck about students. All they do is give lip-service but they never walk the walk. They care more about a 20 year old getting a free pizza than they do about decades of covering up felonies.

They wiped out Paterno's last 14 years of wins which means they believe he was in violation of their rules for 14 years, right? So this punishment is for at least 14 years of incompetence. So $60million/14 = ~4m per year of covering up child rape. Throw in some bowl bans and pull some scholarships and that's fair?

I'll never be able to wrap my head around the amount of bullshit this whole thing has uncovered, from the delusion of cultish fans, to the hypocrisy of our educational system. They're fucking skating on this.

Any place that can't survive without a college football program needs to be blown up anyway.
Serious question: who currently on the football team's staff has been implicated in the cover up or molestations?
I'm not going to get into a debate about punishment and deterrents and whatnot. If you take it as superficial as can be and just look at the NCAA's rulings even as recent as one year ago on USC, that's what happens. They punish the school and the people there have to pay for it. That's what happens when you put people in charge who do bad things. Maybe they should think about everyone they're fucking over when they're doing their bad things, but they don't. Whether it's right or wrong, it's what the NCAA does. Except for some strange reason, in this case.

And I don't hear all the outrage about the entire community of people that all benefited the last 15 years because of this cover-up. All the games and the revenue and TV time and hotel rooms and etc etc etc that they never should have had because their program harbored and enabled a monster. Whether they knew about it or not, everyone benefited from Penn State when they shouldn't have. Now everyone's bitching because a few kids can't play football? Fuck off already.

$60 million is nothing.
A bowl ban is irrelevant. They took away scholarships which means the team will suck for a few years which means they likely won't be bowl eligible anyway which means a bowl ban is pointless.

There's no penalty here. None whatsoever.
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stupidregister wrote:
Random Sample wrote:Penn State Sanctions:
60 Million Fine
4 years no Bowl games
4 Years of reduced scholarship recruits from 25 to 15
Vacates all wins from 1998 to 2011
5 Years Probation Period
Formal investigation of people involved by NCAA after criminal investigations

Way worse than the death penalty.
Do they get to play football next year? Then no, it's not.

They made almost 120m in football revenue alone last year and brought in 207m in donations last year even after finding out that their school harbors pedophiles. 60m is peanuts, the delusional cult of fans will make that up in no time. This is a fucking joke. The only good is that Paterno gets dragged through the mud but that's nothing more than appeasement.
the death penalty is to axe out the program. maybe.
but just off the top of my head;
take all the revenue and do an accounting of the costs so that the school almost breaks even but not quite (no paying for administrative salaries); and set up a huge multi-million $$ organization to combat sexual violence and molestation, etc and advertise during penn state games with the caveat that the ads constantly bring up the fact that penn state football perpetuated something horrific and theres no better time to wake up and change the world. something like that.

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ric wrote:but just off the top of my head;
take all the revenue and do an accounting of the costs so that the school almost breaks even but not quite (no paying for administrative salaries); and set up a huge multi-million $$ organization to combat sexual violence and molestation, etc and advertise during penn state games with the caveat that the ads constantly bring up the fact that penn state football perpetuated something horrific and theres no better time to wake up and change the world. something like that.
you understand that the penalties require the university to do two of the three things you suggested, right?


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ric wrote:
stupidregister wrote:
Random Sample wrote:Penn State Sanctions:
60 Million Fine
4 years no Bowl games
4 Years of reduced scholarship recruits from 25 to 15
Vacates all wins from 1998 to 2011
5 Years Probation Period
Formal investigation of people involved by NCAA after criminal investigations

Way worse than the death penalty.
Do they get to play football next year? Then no, it's not.

They made almost 120m in football revenue alone last year and brought in 207m in donations last year even after finding out that their school harbors pedophiles. 60m is peanuts, the delusional cult of fans will make that up in no time. This is a fucking joke. The only good is that Paterno gets dragged through the mud but that's nothing more than appeasement.
the death penalty is to axe out the program. maybe.
but just off the top of my head;
take all the revenue and do an accounting of the costs so that the school almost breaks even but not quite (no paying for administrative salaries); and set up a huge multi-million $$ organization to combat sexual violence and molestation, etc and advertise during penn state games with the caveat that the ads constantly bring up the fact that penn state football perpetuated something horrific and theres no better time to wake up and change the world. something like that.
I don't consider being "required" to set up a fund for child rape as a part of their punishment because that was something they should have done on their own regardless of what was handed down to them.
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I think the only thing the NCAA should've done was vacate the wins and kill the bowls. The money is irrelevant. Let the victim's family sue and get their payment as they should.

The NCAA is only for leveling (lol) the playing field for athletic issues. This is not an athletic issue simply because coaches were involved.

They did the right thing by taking down the statue. I would've even gone as far as to return the money and change the library name. But the football program has nothing to do with what happened so I don't know why the NCAA got involved as deeply as they did.

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Cash Rulz wrote:I think the only thing the NCAA should've done was vacate the wins and kill the bowls. The money is irrelevant. Let the victim's family sue and get their payment as they should.

The NCAA is only for leveling (lol) the playing field for athletic issues. This is not an athletic issue simply because coaches were involved.

They did the right thing by taking down the statue. I would've even gone as far as to return the money and change the library name. But the football program has nothing to do with what happened so I don't know why the NCAA got involved as deeply as they did.
I disagree. First, the money is very relevant. $60 Million may not be a lot to PSU but it will be a lot to the organizations that receive it. The victims are still going to sue the University. Second this is an athletic issue, and it is more specifically a football issue. This was allowed to happened because the powers at the University were trying to protect the football program, even at the expense of young boys. . It really is that simple. If Sandusky would have been an assistant on the men's basketball team this would have been put to an end years ago. The NCAA set out to punish exactly what the University tried so hard to protect.

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peanut butter wrote:
ric wrote:but just off the top of my head;
take all the revenue and do an accounting of the costs so that the school almost breaks even but not quite (no paying for administrative salaries); and set up a huge multi-million $$ organization to combat sexual violence and molestation, etc and advertise during penn state games with the caveat that the ads constantly bring up the fact that penn state football perpetuated something horrific and theres no better time to wake up and change the world. something like that.
you understand that the penalties require the university to do two of the three things you suggested, right?


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where are those 2 things? what is involved in the probation period?
Penn State Sanctions:
60 Million Fine
4 years no Bowl games
4 Years of reduced scholarship recruits from 25 to 15
Vacates all wins from 1998 to 2011
5 Years Probation Period
Formal investigation of people involved by NCAA after criminal investigations

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Cash Rulz wrote:I think the only thing the NCAA should've done was vacate the wins and kill the bowls. The money is irrelevant. Let the victim's family sue and get their payment as they should.

The NCAA is only for leveling (lol) the playing field for athletic issues. This is not an athletic issue simply because coaches were involved.

They did the right thing by taking down the statue. I would've even gone as far as to return the money and change the library name. But the football program has nothing to do with what happened so I don't know why the NCAA got involved as deeply as they did.
I disagree. First, the money is very relevant. $60 Million may not be a lot to PSU but it will be a lot to the organizations that receive it. The victims are still going to sue the University. Second this is an athletic issue, and it is more specifically a football issue. This was allowed to happened because the powers at the University were trying to protect the football program, even at the expense of young boys. . It really is that simple. If Sandusky would have been an assistant on the men's basketball team this would have been put to an end years ago. The NCAA set out to punish exactly what the University tried so hard to protect.

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You do make some very excellent points. Does make me look at it a little differently.

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A lot of similarities between this incident and this "lost" episode of Coach.

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bmurf75 wrote: Second this is an athletic issue, and it is more specifically a football issue. This was allowed to happened because the powers at the University were trying to protect the football program, even at the expense of young boys. . It really is that simple.
People need to understand this.

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http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... -sanctions

BTW, the Paterno family is extremely deluded.

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