Great moments in Wiggardry: Havoc

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:28 pm

Perhaps some of you will appreciate this:
http://phatfriend.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... dry-havoc/

While on the topic, we could use this thread discuss other wonder wiggerdly moments in modern cinema.

White Boyz anyone?

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:39 pm

That write up completely lost me when it dissed Bully.

Bully is nothing like what I saw in that clip, at all, and is far from "terrible."

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:45 pm

You might want to watch Bad Biology if you haven't already.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:49 pm

Icesickle wrote:That write up completely lost me when it dissed Bully.

Bully is nothing like what I saw in that clip, at all, and is far from "terrible."

Bully is a guilty pleasure. I watch it every time it's on. It's highly entertaining. I love it but I also get douche chills watching it.
It's definitely a much better movie than Havoc. They both very similar though (along with "black and white").

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:50 pm

Spartan wrote:You might want to watch Bad Biology if you haven't already.

I just watched the preview. Looks bad/good but what are the wigger levels like in it?

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:51 pm

Vinnie Paz levels

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:52 pm

Spartan wrote:Vinnie Paz levels

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:58 pm

They might all feature "wiggas," but James Toback and Larry Clark come with some interesting observations about race and class in their movies. Black and White is an ambitious trainwreck and has some great moments that challenge the viewer; Bully is simply a really good movie, imo.

Bully, at least, is extremely well observed. A lot of lower middle class white kids in Florida act just like that and it gets their milieu just right. Larry Clark might be an exploitive, borderline pederast dickhead, but his movies always feel well researched.

At least from the clips on that page, Havoc doesn't seem like it has any basis in observed reality and looks like a bad Mad TV clip with some drama added.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:04 pm

Icesickle wrote:
Bully, at least, is extremely well observed. A lot of lower middle class white kids in Florida act just like that and it gets their milieu just right. Larry Clark might be an exploitive, borderline pederast dickhead, but his movies always feel well researched.

well yeah cause he spends years shooting creepy footage of young kids, then a few more years fapping to said footage, then makes alarmist exploitative trash based on his fapping fantasies

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:08 pm

Havoc looks like a very weak example of Hollywood Wiggadry in motion. Hanging out with Eses in downtown LA is not how upper crust whiggers get down at all.

Hathaway looks deliciously slutty though.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:10 pm

drizzle wrote:well yeah cause he spends years shooting creepy footage of young kids, then a few more years fapping to said footage, then makes alarmist exploitative trash based on his fapping fantasies

Touche.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:11 pm

Icesickle wrote:They might all feature "wiggas," but James Toback and Larry Clark come with some interesting observations about race and class in their movies. Black and White is an ambitious trainwreck and has some great moments that challenge the viewer; Bully is simply a really good movie, imo.

Bully, at least, is extremely well observed. A lot of lower middle class white kids in Florida act just like that and it gets their milieu just right. Larry Clark might be an exploitive, borderline pederast dickhead, but his movies always feel well researched.

At least from the clips on that page, Havoc doesn't seem like it has any basis in observed reality and looks like a bad Mad TV clip with some drama added.

I agree about Black and white. It really tried to do something that I just don't think Toback was a good enough film maker to pull off. The thing is, Toback is a very smart dude but his approach to that topic seemed to be coming from someone who really didn't understand it. He got all the right people in it but it just didn't sit right (Perhaps that's the "trainwreck" aspect you were implying). It's similar to "crash" in that way. That said, there are a handful of scenes in that movie that are straight up amazing.

And Bully certainly did capture those kids perfectly, it's just some of the writing and performances were pretty poor. But I suppose , that's not really Clarks strong suit. Clark always makes movies i can watch but i feel like are heavily flawed. But, i suppose, if I can watch them so much, they must be great on some level.

As for Havoc, it actually is based on real people. The girl who originally wrote it at age 17 , killed herself. I guess someone got ahold of the script, put the hollywood spin on it and , boom, you had "Havoc". Like i said, it's not the same kind of movie as B&W or Bully (it's much trashier) but it was made 100% to be taken seriously and have strong social commentary on race and/or class just like those two movies, which is why it's failure is so hilarious to me.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:12 pm

Seriously...everyone who has not seen Havoc should see it just fully understand the scope of it's shittiness. The trailer and clips I showed don't do it justice.
It's something to behold.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:14 pm

the one movie that doesn't get enough spin in these conversations is Harsh Times imo

not a great movie, but bale's back and forth between ESSAAYYY and I SPEAK VERY GRAMMATICALLY AT JOB INTERVIEWS is fantastic

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:15 pm

Blockhead wrote: As for Havoc, it actually is based on real people. The girl who originally wrote it at age 17 , killed herself.

Excellent. Def gonna watch this now. I am so fuckin' bored.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:17 pm

drizzle wrote:the one movie that doesn't get enough spin in these conversations is Harsh Times imo

not a great movie, but bale's back and forth between ESSAAYYY and I SPEAK VERY GRAMMATICALLY AT JOB INTERVIEWS is fantastic

Never heard of it. Are you telling me there is a film where Bale play's a cholo? IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME!?!?!?!?!??!

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:21 pm

psychopathic ex commado cholo at that

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:24 pm

You know I'm seeing that shit, vatos.

Thun · Post by **Thun** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:25 pm

Holy shit. This can't be real but it is. How in the ... what the... good lord I need to see this.

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:38 pm

Harsh Times is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

Havoc is pretty amazing. Watching Hathaway rap 2Pac lyrics and getting banged by Ese's is pretty much the apex of modern cinema. Plus as a bonus you get to see Bijou Phillips get gangbanged. 10/10.

Whiteboyz is one of my ultimate guilty pleasures. Perfect mix of rap-sploitation and wigger-dom.

Kid That's Lifeless · Post by **Kid That's Lifeless** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:40 pm

Oh man, Harsh Times is amazingly awful. This Havoc movie sounds incredible, will watch.

odium-LSC · Post by **odium-LSC** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:42 pm

Tommy Bunz wrote:Harsh Times is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

This. It is SOOOOOOOO fucking bad.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:57 pm

Bale >

Versive · Post by **Versive** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:22 pm

You might enjoy Havoc, you might not, it's a roll of the dice.

...See what I did there?

truthaddict · Post by **truthaddict** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:43 pm

battlecatmeowstab212 · Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:46 pm

With the exception of 'Whiteboyz,' I haven't seen the films mentioned in this thread and, as a result, this may be the most important thread of 2011 for me. I'm going to see everything.

I just wanted to throw this into the mix:

I worked at the Union Square Virgin Megastore from September 2008 until its closing in June 2009. The most shop-lifted/stolen movie in our entire catalog was 'Bully.' I don't know what that says about the film, or the audience, but finding a disc-less 'Bully' on the shelf was a regular occurrence.

truthaddict · Post by **truthaddict** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:57 pm

I have the Whiteboyz soundtrack for some reason, but never seen the movie. I will have to check it out.

EMCEE DARTH MALEK · Post by **EMCEE DARTH MALEK** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:35 pm

Harsh times is my favourite Christian bale movie.

catfish hunter · Post by **catfish hunter** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:24 pm

Flipdog in Whiteboys party scene "betchu wont hitamuthafucka" top scene.

Sylissez · Post by **Sylissez** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:47 pm

I really think we had this exact discussion about these exact movies within the last year.

However, this is a topic whose depths cannot be explored enough. Fuckin cysed to watch that Bale movie.