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battlecatmeowstab212 wrote:Does anyone here actually follow CZW?
I wish I could say I still did. Used to follow them very closely, but my fandom only extends to checking the monthly results these days. Sounds like Biff Busick and Drew Gulak are their guys moving forward, which is about as good a homegrown top-2 as you can hope for. From all indications, CZW is a rollercoaster ride of good and bad shows as well as sub-par booking. DJ Hyde has done a fairly good job of finding the under-utilized talent of the east coast and giving them a showcase, though.

CZW has always been a great launching pad to bigger indies. It's like the indy that the other indies are watching. Their alumni list is fairly impressive: Steen, Generico/Zayn, Chris Hero, Claudio Castagnoli/Cesaro, Cole, Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose, Sami Callahan/Solomon Crowe, Samuray del Sol/Kalisto, Sonjay Dutt, Adam Cole, AR Fox, Rich Swann... then guys like Roderick Strong, Alex Shelley, Jimmy Jacobs, Ricochet, Chuck Taylor, and a bunch of others that were already on the map, but not necessarily indy stars yet.

Toys 4 Tots at Cage of Death has been a thing at least since Cage of Death 4, which was my first CZW show.

The main event of COD XVI should be interesting, as it has the new vs. old dynamic going on. Sozio/Niles Young and Blk Jeez/Sabian are sort of the "old guard" of CZW, while Busick and Gulak represent the elevation of a couple younger guys. (Not to say Gulak hasn't been around CZW for quite a while, but his profile has really elevated in the last couple years.) Also, I'm a sucker for spotty scramble matches so the 6-man should be pretty rad.

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Kalel wrote:14 year old Kalel would probably have been SUPER into CZW.

30 year old Kalel can barely watch old ECW tapes without cringing.

I'm out.

I'm pretty much on the same page. I've seen a few matches on various comps that I REALLY enjoyed, but overall their product just isn't for me. If every match is a bloody, violent mess, it devalues them quite a bit in my eyes. It doesn't make the match feel special at all if you use color in every one. Same with finisher kickouts and chair/weapon shots.
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907 wrote:
Kalel wrote:14 year old Kalel would probably have been SUPER into CZW.

30 year old Kalel can barely watch old ECW tapes without cringing.

I'm out.

I'm pretty much on the same page. I've seen a few matches on various comps that I REALLY enjoyed, but overall their product just isn't for me. If every match is a bloody, violent mess, it devalues them quite a bit in my eyes. It doesn't make the match feel special at all if you use color in every one. Same with finisher kickouts and chair/weapon shots.
This has been a pretty common misconception about CZW for about 10 years now. Their product is largely wrestling, with maybe a deathmatch or two per card. Their Tournament of Death is a spectacle, sure... but that's usually the only show of the year where deathmatches fill the card.

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Awesome event. NXT fucking nails it everytime. Ladder War 5 on the way!!!!

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Top to bottom the best wrestling show I've seen in a long time.

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That was perfect.

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Yesterday was such a great day for wrestling.

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Who do you guys think will be the next big indie star to be courted by NXT? Uhaa Nation? Ricochet? AR Fox? Joey Ryan tweeted the other day ... So what happens next for NXT?

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They have been in contact with Uhaa Nation for sure.

I hope they slow down a little so the current crop doesn't get lost in the shuffle. NXT is legitimately better than Raw right now in every way possible.

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NXT is to WWE as WCW was to WWF.

They truly are their own competition.

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I'm thinking about re-watching [R]Evolution again. It was so fucking good.
The announcers signed off, they showed the copyright... they did all the ending things! It was supposed to be over! BEST FRIENDS!

People have been quoting TDK all day, and it couldn't be more appropriate: “I think you and I are destined to do this forever.”

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I'm guessing Uhaa and The Bucks are the ones Joey Ryan is talking about who turned WWE down.

Should be interesting to see what the indie scene looks like in 2016 with both the NXT dream roster and New Japan getting an American TV deal.

I really hope Wes Draven gets a legit shot somewhere. He's got the best 450 on the indies right now, a refreshing Ghost Dog gimmick, and just just an all around great performer who should be in many more rings than he's in.

I hope Orange Cassidy gets more opportunity to be Orange Cassidy too. His Fire Ant persona is cool, but him as Cassidy has a lot of untapped potential.

I'm so ready to see ACH continue to ascend and become the biggest thing on the indies, and then the world.
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Battle, you gonna hit up that ROH show in Vegas? March '15 gonna be crazy w/ Mania in my hometown. But I got fam in Vegas too. Might have to do it.

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TLC was like a slightly better Raw, fuck that show. NXT killed them with the live special.
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Ziggler/Harper was killer. Rollins is being booked like a bitch. And everything Ambrose and Bray did was negated by that weak crowd, oh and an exploding fucking TV.

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Other than the IC match, TLC sucked. The fact that Roman Reigns is forcing "Believe That" on us is proof that he is done. Just terrible on the mic. Terrible moveset. He will win the Rumble, continue to be exposed as a hack and we will have an awful main event at Wrestlemania

Meanwhile, Cesaro can't even get on the pre-show. Just send him back to NXT please.

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cant understand why they feel the need to put these parlor trick spots in these ambrose/wyatt matches.

yeah reigns is on dangerous ground right now. exciting entrance but by the second superman punch his act was already looking a little tired.

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Has Cesaro won a single match after saying "nobody wants to see Cena vs Orton for the 500th time"?

And after the disaster last year with Batista, they can't be this stupid to do this again with Reigns right? His mic work has been brutal of late, but I still see potential in the guy. I wish they'd turn him heel, let him be the hired gun of the authority sent out to destroy Cena and force him to reinstate the Authority. At least that storyline sets into a motion a way to do a three-way feud with Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns for WM.

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He beat Zigler on Raw on October 20th.

This shit is disgusting:

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers/ces ... ?prom_id=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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blastmaster wrote:He beat Zigler on Raw on October 20th.

This shit is disgusting:

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christ almighty thats awful to see

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Yea, TLC was a disappointment. :meh:

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Kofi Kingston: Slam Poet

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I hope they have plans for a heel turn from New Day cause this shit is just awful. Maybe Ascension will come in and get over by murdering them.

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blastmaster wrote:I hope they have plans for a heel turn from New Day cause this shit is just awful. Maybe Ascension will come in and get over by murdering them.
I def think new day are gonna turn heel, for whatever reason the gimmick comes off incredibly odd as face

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kofi kingston has always been the fuckin worst. absolute trash. hes still around getting chances and cesaro is pinned 20 weeks in a row. its fucking infuriating.
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hustler wrote:kofi kingston has always been the fuckin worst. absolute trash. hes still around getting chances and cesaro is pinned 20 weeks in a row. its fucking infuriating.
... define "trash".

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Pretty great seeing Jimmy Jacobs as a Rosebud two nights in a row. Always fun seeing Taylor Hendricks too.
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battlecatmeowstab212 wrote:Pretty great seeing Jimmy Jacobs as a Rosebud two nights in a row. Always fun seeing Taylor Hendricks too.
And Scarlett Bordeaux!

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battlecatmeowstab212 wrote:Pretty great seeing Jimmy Jacobs as a Rosebud two nights in a row. Always fun seeing Taylor Hendricks too.
And Scarlett Bordeaux!
Word? I need to re-watch. I was lost in Jacobs' eyes.
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Kalel wrote:
hustler wrote:kofi kingston has always been the fuckin worst. absolute trash. hes still around getting chances and cesaro is pinned 20 weeks in a row. its fucking infuriating.
... define "trash".
me and you have already had multiple back and forths regarding him. we will never see eye to eye.

trash aka kofi kingston aka mr botchamania aka 0 charisma 0 mic skills he has a bad look and his in ring style is just jumping around like a frog, its fucking annoying to watch. probably the most pure PG wrestler of all time, even more PG than cena, he represents everything that is wrong with the wwe product. goofy ass smiling 24/7 shithead. randy orton knew he was trash and stopped his push, and forever relegated him to perennial midcarder/jobber status. even if randy hadn't done that, kofi would have done it to himself because he couldn't cut a promo to save his life.
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