Game of Thrones - Season 4

[Random Sample]

Seems like a kinda shitty life...just chilling up in some branches, being the eyes of a raven and shit.
*shrugs*

I am sure there are other perks/duties than flying around and looking at shit.

[PopeyeJones]

I think varys plotted that whole shit. His mo is unclear atm but i feel like him and lil finger are gonna end up being the main two chess players moving all the pieces

Not at all. He was heading back until he heard the horns, signaling something had happened, which explained why Tyrion took so long (the first thing he said to Tyrion when he opened the door). He changed his mind and got on the boat because the horns meant Tyrion had done something that would make it unsafe for him in King's Landing.

[Ramen]

Seems like a kinda shitty life...just chilling up in some branches, being the eyes of a raven and shit.
*shrugs*

I am sure there are other perks/duties than flying around and looking at shit.

No one going to at least ask about all the bones and shit chilling at his feet?

[christian from austin]

Lol welcome young stark, yeah i know i look like father time but in fact I am the three eyed raven. You are but one of the 50 some odd parapalegics who have crawled up onto the pimp cup of a throne. Push those bones to the side and come a little closer lil nigga I want to tell you a story

[Cash Rulz]

Very satisfying ending.

I like Arya coming full circle. The whole, "you'd been teaching me to not be soft and I'll prove that by being the biggest bitch and letting you die slowly" thing was great, even if I wanted her to do it. But at the end of the day, it would've been merciful and she needed to be ruthless. I also love that she's headed to Bravos where the shapeshifter is. I think this is all adding to her training to becoming Black Widow.

Like the potential segue for Stannis to meet up with the Boltons next season. But I'm pretty sure that Rob Snow has a greater destiny given the way fire bitch was looking at him. I can just imagine the smoky ass children they'll have.

The Bran storyline continue to confuse me. I'm sure he's going to become like a handicapped super saiyan at some point next season. At least he better.

I feel so sorry for Dany. Those dragons were her hold point and claim to the throne and now it doesn't even seem like she's interested in the 7 kingdoms. Everything is just going shitty for her. If the Starks storyline have taught me anything about GoT is it doesn't pay to be benevolent.

And finally, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE KILL CERCEI???!!! That bitch is the single most dangerous character in this entire storyline and Tyrion lets his emotions get the best of him and kills the wrong person. Maybe he did that out of love for Jamie??? Could be. I'm sure Varys is like FAHK!!! He had to get his ass the fuck up outta Kings Landing and now shit is going to be nuts for a little while. That is until Little Finger gets shorty killed while "touring the country" and then him and Sansa rule that impenetrable ass kingdom and start setting up shop to take over shit. His alliance with the Tyrells better come full circle next season.

Gotta admit, technically, this series has a 10 year potential. There are some many layers, so much potential that it could last a while. But we don't want it to. We like closure within 5 seasons, six tops and then the 6th will suck because we'll feel the closure should've happened in the 4th. But this is a global ass stage. There can never be one winner and eventually a bunch of mutha fuckas have to die and we get some new fucks in here.

[drizzle]

we get some new fucks in here.

this is going to start with next season. with starks dead, lannisters all fucked up, new rulers in winterfell, the balance of power in the north changing drastically with the arrival of Stannis, etc... it's inevitable that new characters appear to fill some of the gaps created as literally all the main story lines imploded or culminated this season

[Req]

we get some new fucks in here.

this is going to start with next season. with starks dead, lannisters all fucked up, new rulers in winterfell, the balance of power in the north changing drastically with the arrival of Stannis, etc... it's inevitable that new characters appear to fill some of the gaps created as literally all the main story lines imploded or culminated this season

which book are we on/did we just finish out of the total? i.e. 4 of 6 etc

[drizzle]

Most of the :ohshit: stuff from last few eps ends book 3, but they have already started incorporating elements of book 4 in the story. there are 5 books total so far. Good chance events from book 4 and 5 will be combined, they tell the story of the same time frame happening in different places.

[Random Sample]

[Philaflava]

fucking love her

[Cash Rulz]

we get some new fucks in here.

this is going to start with next season. with starks dead, lannisters all fucked up, new rulers in winterfell, the balance of power in the north changing drastically with the arrival of Stannis, etc... it's inevitable that new characters appear to fill some of the gaps created as literally all the main story lines imploded or culminated this season

Really? I think its more of a continuation. I think they'll explore more of what they have existing, but I think my statement was honestly being facetious. I'm sure you've read the books so you're probably speaking with much more insight, but I'm honestly not as interested in new fucks as I am getting closure to the the several storylines that still haven't wrapped up completely either.

[drizzle]

They're obviously not going to just drop ongoing stories, but there will also be a good amount of new stuff added. Consider what happened in S3 and S4 - pretty much every plot line started since S1 came to either some kind of peak or some kind of conclusion. The end of book 3, like the end of this season, represents something akin to the End Of Part 1 of the larger story Martin has in mind. The central conflict that drove the story so far (Starks vs Lannisters and the war) no longer exists, and while the overreaching arch still persists (white walkers are still walking south) a lot of the main characters are continuing their stories in new places/new circumstances.

[Ramen]

wiki'd cave dude, even more confused.

[drizzle]

wiki'd cave dude, even more confused.

[The Afronaut]

Bran and that whole fucking gang can go to hell. When they come on its like "One Time 4 Your Mind" coming on Illmatic.

[EMCEE DARTH MALEK]

I like Arya coming full circle. The whole, "you'd been teaching me to not be soft and I'll prove that by being the biggest bitch and letting you die slowly" thing was great, even if I wanted her to do it. But at the end of the day, it would've been merciful and she needed to be ruthless.

i bet he was proud of her in his dying moments.

And finally, WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE KILL CERCEI???!!! That bitch is the single most dangerous character in this entire storyline and Tyrion lets his emotions get the best of him and kills the wrong person. Maybe he did that out of love for Jamie???

it's gotta be this. she was worse to him than big poppa. but can't kill you bro's one tru luv.




so i have a couple beefs with the portrayal of tywin's character. he's the HNIC & mastermind etc, and I think he was on some cognitive dissonance about the incest (at the least -- that or he knew but refused acknowledge). but did he really think tyrion was guilty? if so, it seems like the tyrells should have ended up offing him because he didn't recognize the threat they pose.

if he knew tyrion wasn't guilty then why did he try to get rid of him? everybody hates imps but technically he can produce lannister offspring. everybody knows you need an heir and a spare.

[EMCEE DARTH MALEK]

Bran and that whole fucking gang can go to hell. When they come on its like "One Time 4 Your Mind" coming on Illmatic.

[TeenageMoustache]

Tywin probably knew it was the Martells who offed Joffrey but he needs their money more than he needs Tyrion. As far as off spring, the kiddie king is technically his heir, so it didn't matter that the psychopath was put down with Tyrion taking the fall.

As for not killing Cercei, both she and the old man are protected by armed guards. Tyrion came in through a secrete passage. Him knowing about that can be explained by the fact that as the former hand of the king, those were probably his quarters. Guessing he doesn't know of a passage like that where Cercei lives.

I don't understand the Bran storyline at all.

[Ramen]

You guys don't think Tywin was cool with sending Tyrion to the wall?

[drizzle]

You guys don't think Tywin was cool with sending Tyrion to the wall?

He was and that was his plan until Tyrion demanded trial by combat.

Tywin did not think Tyrion killed Joff, but he did think Tyrion was generally an abominable piece of shit who was a blight on the family name. So he didn't really have any qualms about sacrificing him one way or another, especially since it's advantageous to do at the moment, and didn't really believe in the slim chance of him coming around and becoming obedient and useful at some later date.

[The Afronaut]

Best meme of the season in my opinion.

[Cash Rulz]

I'm pretty sure that he didn't believe Tyrion did it, but I just don't think he gave a fuck if Tyrion lives or dies.

Regarding the secret passage theory as to why he didn't kill Cercei, I just can't believe that. I'm pretty sure that castle is filled with secret passages and the Queen Regent's room would be no exception. I'm sure The Hand's chambers would be more protected than the Queen Regent's. Plus if this show is teaching us anything its that NO ONE is murder proof.

[drizzle]

This is a dude running away from an execution, through secret back passages nobody knows well except Varys. He didn't premeditate killing Tywin and he had no idea Shea would be there. He recognized the secret passage to the tower of the Hand, went up there on impulse and then ran for it because when you're escaping and twisted with grief and various other feeling over strangling the love of your life and shooting your father/most powerful man it the land you probably don't have the wherewithal or the time to cobrasnake your way around a giant castle to meticulously avenge all your old grievances.

[EMCEE DARTH MALEK]

^either way he wouldn't break jaime's heart by hurting his boo.


i agree with what you guys say about tywin but there's still something that troubles me

Tywin did not think Tyrion killed Joff, but he did think Tyrion was generally an abominable piece of shit who was a blight on the family name. So he didn't really have any qualms about sacrificing him one way or another, especially since it's advantageous to do at the moment, and didn't really believe in the slim chance of him coming around and becoming obedient and useful at some later date.

he's not obedient but neither is jaime. and tyrion had proven more useful than the big bro by winning the battle of blackwater. i just can't buy that tywin was blind to tyrion's merit.

[drizzle]

You're assuming a simple 1:1 of 'tyrion should live because he might be useful later'. That's not how shit works. Yes Tywin is very machiavellian and pragmatic, but he also has a very complex and conflicted outlook on his family's legacy and his children.

Jaime spent most of his life obeying Tywin and is an eligible stud who is well fit to inherit the family name and legacy, even if one handed.. He only really started acting out after coming back from captivity, and even when he bucked he fell back in line quickly after Tywin agreed to send Tyrion to the wall (which he was gonna do anyway).

Tyrion (from Tywin's pov) is a monster who killed his mother at birth, married a hooker, spent most of his life being a drunk asshole, openly defied Tywin by having an affair with another hooker while being the king's hand, and then demanded props for something Tywin feels was just doing his job. Tywin has never given Tyrion credit or props for anything, and only ever relied on him out of necessity. He saw him only as an embarrassment to the family name.

[EMCEE DARTH MALEK]

tyrion fell in line by marrying sansa. he's a more successful war hero than jaime. before joff got off'd his whore was AWOL and he was on his best behaviour.

bottom line he's still a lannister. you need an heir and a spare. tywin doesn't make any tangible gain from getting rid of tyrion so it seems shoehorned into the story.

[drizzle]

lol ok, don't really have the energy or desire to keep explaining this to you. you seem to be working with a very simplistic idea of Tywin's character and your notions about who did what are pretty screwy. not sure why you're basing your logic on some random catchphrase as opposed to the events on screen which have been slowly leading up to this moment for 4 seasons.

[christian from austin]

nah drizzle heir and a spare bro

[Blockhead]

This thread is really a test of Driz's patience and self control to not spoil everything for us constantly. Especially when dudes are dropping terrible theories on what they think is gonna happen.

[drizzle]

^^ true story, this is how I feel when somebody gets somethign right: