The Killing (New AMC Show)

Comedy Quaddafi · Post by **Comedy Quaddafi** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:31 pm

Dids wrote:Last ep was total crap. The whole show has this vibe that it was written by clueless Scandanavians whose understanding of American politics is based on wikipedia or something. (and I say this not just in relationship to Seattle specifically).

Your whole post has this vibe that is was written by a clueless dumb-ass who attempts to be witty.

The show gave a good portrayal of politics here, if it conflicts with how American politics operate then that's because it's a remake.

jamrage · Post by **jamrage** » Wed May 11, 2011 12:45 am

Some great laughs last page.

This show is pretty middle of the road, it's not really contributing anything new to the genre at all. I'm still going to watch it however if only to be able to laugh at it mercilessly a la Rubicon.

I too am pretty sick of all the cliffhangers at the end of every episode that seemingly lead nowhere. Perfect example being the dead girl's Dad gets the teacher in the care and then......nothing.

alpha · Post by **alpha** » Wed May 11, 2011 1:02 am

question: I read the og version was 20 episodes, and the US version is only 13. how the fuck is this still so boring sometimes?

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Wed May 11, 2011 3:11 am

Comedy Quaddafi wrote:
PopeyeJones wrote:^^^^

Tweak, no way they're making it a Muslim guy, but I'd be shocked if in the original Danish version it wasn't definitely the Muslim guy. CQ was probably jerking off to it with a rope around his neck in his closet.

It's not the Muslim btw.

KIDDING.

Comedy Quaddafi · Post by **Comedy Quaddafi** » Wed May 11, 2011 5:25 am

alpha wrote:question: I read the og version was 20 episodes, and the US version is only 13. how the fuck is this still so boring sometimes?

It's "boring" because it was meant to be about the characters and morals. From what I've seen this remake is kinda shit because they don't recapture the atmosphere which made the original intense, mostly because the actors in the remake are pretty poor and the characters are simplified, which means you end up caring less about them.

Twitch is on the money as usual.

http://twitchfilm.com/reviews/2011/05/t ... review.php

(...) These are the protagonists of The Killing, and the show follows them equally in each episode which are day-by-day but gradually so. The day turns to night and although it is not precise the 20 days pass over the 20 episode arch. It is chronological with no flashbacks or devices. 20 episodes is a lot to work through however, and for what is essentially one cover up, 20 episodes begins to grind. It is a very slow burn series that has peaks and troughs; patience is required as some episodes setup a big reveal or exciting scene in the next.

Some episodes however were yawn inducing, while others demand total attention. The midway point of the series leaves the viewer in a strange place, it attempts some twists that no other crime procedural has, but The Killing is primarily about the characters that inhabit it and not the processes, grit, realism or underlying plot.

The mood certainly helps drive the characters and the tone of the entire hopelessness of the seemingly never-ending and exhaustive murder case and the city of Copenhagen and its dark and grimy locations. The city itself is almost a character as it is thoroughly explored with a variety of impressive set pieces that add to the mystery of Nanna's murder.

Character is integral in The Killing, so each characters flaw is highlighted. Sarah is in the throes of leaving, has problems with her son and her Swedish partner and as the case becomes more and more vague she begins to lose touch of reality, "you only care about dead people" her son snaps at her, but even he is wrong, as Sarah's reason for finding the killer overshadows any care she has for Nanna or her family; she is an ice queen obsessed with only one thing, the truth.

The Killing, although boring in parts, is ultimately worth the watch. It is heavy on politics and moral and ethical dilemmas, but its focus on character rather than action or results makes The Killing more like 24 on Prozac.

The Killing was recently remade as an American drama. It is practically the same, with the episode structure itself not even changing and is essentially a complete waste of time, with overdone caricatures, unrealistic responses and bad casting choices. See the original.

Comedy Quaddafi · Post by **Comedy Quaddafi** » Wed May 11, 2011 5:31 am

PopeyeJones wrote: KIDDING.

There was actually betting-sites where you could place bets on who the killer was, "the Muslim guy" wasn't even an option

Having been here you know we wouldn't go there, not in a million years. It would've been rather cheap in any case.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:30 am

Comedy Quaddafi wrote:
PopeyeJones wrote: KIDDING.
There was actually betting-sites where you could place bets on who the killer was, "the Muslim guy" wasn't even an option Having been here you know we wouldn't go there, not in a million years. It would've been rather cheap in any case.

at betting sites. Kinda awesome actually.

Comedy Quaddafi wrote: It's "boring" because it was meant to be about the characters and morals. From what I've seen this remake is kinda shit because they don't recapture the atmosphere which made the original intense, mostly because the actors in the remake are pretty poor and the characters are simplified, which means you end up caring less about them.

Word. Save for hugely indulgent and lingering scenes of the family's suffering (which are pretty effective, and rare for American TV imo) The American version seems almost obsessively oriented toward the "whodunnit" aspect of the show.

I'm really looking forward to watching the original one after this is over.

Tweak Da Leak · Post by **Tweak Da Leak** » Wed May 11, 2011 12:11 pm

Comedy you know the killer is changed from the OG Forbydgrensyn(whatever) show right?

Comedy Quaddafi · Post by **Comedy Quaddafi** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:30 pm

No. I did read somewhere that the end probably wouldn't be received well in America. It's a bit of a downer and it was kinda divisive here too.

Tweak Da Leak · Post by **Tweak Da Leak** » Thu May 12, 2011 12:02 pm

Comedy Quaddafi wrote:No. I did read somewhere that the end probably wouldn't be received well in America. It's a bit of a downer and it was kinda divisive here too.

Spoiler Alert

Belko is the killer in the original and they seem to keep him as a mian suspect in this one, the producer has come out and said that it isn't him in this version but you never know.

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Tue May 17, 2011 9:15 am

I would really like this show if it didnt rain so much. I MEAN COME ON!

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Tue May 17, 2011 11:06 am

Tweak Da Leak wrote:
Comedy Quaddafi wrote:No. I did read somewhere that the end probably wouldn't be received well in America. It's a bit of a downer and it was kinda divisive here too.
Spoiler Alert

Belko is the killer in the original and they seem to keep him as a mian suspect in this one, the producer has come out and said that it isn't him in this version but you never know.

oh shit? if true that's great to know.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Tue May 17, 2011 11:37 am

^before I read what tweak wrote, does it give away the killer?

Willie B · Post by **Willie B** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:25 pm

ALASKA wrote:I would really like this show if it didnt rain so much. I MEAN COME ON!

and muthafuckas are just immune to it. they just talk on their cellphones like water is not falling from the sky at a significant rate. no one ever has an umbrella. that one cop only owns the one hoodie.

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:43 pm

Willie B wrote:
ALASKA wrote:I would really like this show if it didnt rain so much. I MEAN COME ON!
and muthafuckas are just immune to it. they just talk on their cellphones like water is not falling from the sky at a significant rate. no one ever has an umbrella. that one cop only owns the one hoodie.

I mean for rilz, I feel like I am watching Evan Almighty. When aer they gonna build an arc? AMIRITE?

It rarely rains in seattle.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:56 pm

Blockhead wrote:^before I read what tweak wrote, does it give away the killer?

Nah. It gives away who the killer was in the Danish version, meaning if the producers are to be believed, it eliminates someone.

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:30 pm

Anyone still watching this?

Last night was pretty decent...they finally chilled the fuck out with the rain.

Jayou Ayen · Post by **Jayou Ayen** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:57 pm

ALASKA wrote:Anyone still watching this?

Last night was pretty decent...they finally chilled the fuck out with the rain.

Yeah, there is really nothing new to say. They keep rehashing the same routine, focus on a new suspect all episode, then rule them out early the following week. This show shares a lot of Rubicon's weaknesses (fuck you Jamrage), but the they both look great and have a vibe that I enjoy.

I'm not sure why they wasted time with the Blockhead Sexton dude, but it's been good to see development in the Comedy Quadaffi character.
Cop lady is just not interesting on almost any level, and she certainly is terrible at keeping the victim's family informed.

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Andvil · Post by **Andvil** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:16 pm

Holder is one of my favorite characters on any TV show right now, but damn these two suck as detectives. They are doing some shit in the 10th episode that they shouldve been doing as soon as the investigation started (questioning Belko being the extremely obvious example)

I'm still on board though

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:55 am

Still watching. My basic complaint is that the producers/show runner/writers/whoever don't seem to understand the difference between a plot-twist and a herring. This show has had 20 fucking herrings but I don't think it has had a single plot-twist.

All the god in the machine shit is really boring too. Within five minutes of screen time from when Bennett is cleared a "beat cop" (read: lazy writer) finds a taxi cab driver who saw Rosy, opening up a new path to go down that would have exonerated Bennett if this had happened at any moment except for when it did. There was also the equivalent of the beat cop, the staffer in Richmond's campaign who we've never seen before and will never see again, who for some improbably reason was watching every second of videotape involving the mayor ever? And of course she makes her discovery within 90 seconds of screen time of Richmond being back on top. I hate to say it, but bad Law & Order episodes are more deftly constructed than this shit.

Still watching, though.

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Tue May 31, 2011 8:58 pm

Difference between this show and Rubicon is that with Rubicon there was always that carrot dangling out there that something original/great was coming and that it all might be heading somewhere that we hadn't really seen on tv before. And then the farther the series went on you slowly realized that the writers weren't heading to greatness so it was far more disappointing once you realized that.

The Killing is exactly what it is at this point, a good show with flaws that is ultimately overall enjoyable but not worth getting excited or upset about. I'm completely ok with that.

Agreed that Holder is the main reason to watch. Him and Stan are the only people I give a fuck about though.

PopeyeJones · Post by **PopeyeJones** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:55 am

Tommy Bunz wrote: The Killing is exactly what it is at this point, a good show with flaws that is ultimately overall enjoyable but not worth getting excited or upset about. I'm completely ok with that.

Agreed that Holder is the main reason to watch. Him and Stan are the only people I give a fuck about though.

Dids · Post by **Dids** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:58 pm

I realized that The Killing is just a long episode of a CBS procedural (the lead writer used to run Cold Case). Spend a few minutes with some red herrings, a slight touch of background for the cops that are mostly ciphers, and then the big reveal at the end.

Works ok over an hour. Not so much over 13.

Politics stuff still terrible, terrible, terrible.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:09 pm

Dids wrote:
Politics stuff still terrible, terrible, terrible.

Easily my least favorite part of these show. It HAS to tie in to the case (Duh). My guess? Rosie was fucking the mayor. his side bitch got mad and had her killed. Probably wrong but , at this point, it would make a little sense.

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:01 pm

I don't know why you guys hate the politics stuff so much, its hardly offensive and all 3 of the characters are solid. They're obviously just spinning their wheels with that whole storyline until the murder leads directly to their circle. There's really no reason for them to exist otherwise, but I expect that part of the story to get more interesting by the time this wraps up. No way the mayor candidate is guilty in any way though, they've built him into too much of a saint to go back now and make him a villain. That would be really bad writing and insulting to the viewers.
My guess is its either someone we haven't even seen yet (lame as that is) or someone who has gotten very little screentime to this point.

Also, Twin Peaks rip-off number 4080 this last ep....dead girl was sneaking across to the Canadian border to a casino

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:34 pm

Tommy Bunz wrote:Also, Twin Peaks rip-off number 4080 this last ep....dead girl was sneaking across to the Canadian border to a casino

She might have been trying to go to one of ackbar's parties

Jayou Ayen · Post by **Jayou Ayen** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:13 pm

It's weird that Rosie is the only character I know by name.
That's why I refer to people as CQ Cop and Fat Louie CK.
I know the names of almost all the Game of Thrones characters.

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ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:23 pm

Jayou Ayen wrote:Fat Louie CK.

just made my day

Tweak Da Leak · Post by **Tweak Da Leak** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:15 pm

ALASKA wrote:
Tommy Bunz wrote:Also, Twin Peaks rip-off number 4080 this last ep....dead girl was sneaking across to the Canadian border to a casino
She might have been trying to go to one of ackbar's parties

yeah the twin peaks parallels are getting pretty funny

dead popular highschool girl that had a dark side

homicidal raging dad

rich guy wants to develop property

Truth. · Post by **Truth.** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:34 pm

i still say Bennet did it