John Cage & Sun Ra - John Cage Meets Sun Ra (1987)

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John Cage & Sun Ra - John Cage Meets Sun Ra (1987)

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Sun Ra: various compositions or improvisations
John Cage: excerpts from Empty Words (part IV) (1974-75), read as interludes

Side 1: 21'23"
Side 2: 22'19"

Sun Ra improvising on the Yamaha DX7 synthesizer.
Empty Words IV performed by John Cage, voice.

Recorded live in concert: June 8, 1986 at Coney Island, N.Y.
LP released in 1987

These are unedited segments of the historic concert that was part of the "Sideshows by the Seashore" held on June 8, 1986 in Coney Island, NY. Improvisations and songs by Sun Ra and Cage's indeterminate performance vocals based on strict composition methods are contrasted and find a common meeting ground as, toward the end of the session, they play together. Fascinating and in genuine communal spirit.
"Modern classical composer John Cage and jazz maverick Sun Ra performed together in 1986 at Coney Island, New York. The result was recorded and released on this long out-of-print album. We are fortunate that Ubuweb is able to make this fascinating record available again.

Sun Ra begins with improvisations on the Yamaha DX7 synthesizer. John Cage performs his vocal work, Empty Words (Part IV), and each alternates performances. Cageג€™s performance is wonderfully trance-like with long silences as is typical of him. Sun Raג€™s playing is other-worldly with little of the jazz quality that one hears in his Arkestra works. As a combined effort this ג€œmeetingג€ may not be very convincing. However if you consider each individualג€™s artistry, especially Sun Raג€™s incredible sojourn at the synthesizer, you will find this a very rewarding experience. "
Summary: Strange, zany, and still at points incredible and amazing, John Cage and Sun Ra performed this concert in 1986. Sun Ra steals the show, improvising amazingly on his Yamaha synthesizer and simply mesmerizing anyone who hears the music.

For those who think Thom Yorke is weird, meet Sun Ra. Yes, this man calls himself Sun Ra. This isnג€™t a band name, this is a man. Although legally born Herman Poole Blount, Sun Ra took upon his persona after being nicknamed Sonny as a child. But his name isnג€™t even the weirdest part. The man claims to be of the ג€œAngel Raceג€ and from the planet Saturn. Heג€™s so mysterious that people think his date of birth could be anywhere from 1910-1918. Sun Ra said his astrological sign was Gemini, but who knows if even he knows? Sun Ra, of course, was a musician. He performed free jazz, known for his piano and synthesizer skill. He sounds like no other piano or synthesizer player and makes Miles Davisג€™ experimentation look like Lawrence Welk swing. Critics call his technique ג€œa variety of influences, including blues, Count Basie's bounce, Thelonious Monk's dissonance and a degree of European impressionism.ג€

John Cage isnג€™t exactly all that normal either. He has a bit more of a revered background, studying music at the Cornish School of the Arts. However, the formal studying never got to his head. He created some of the most unique and contemporary music of the 20th century. On top of creating a musical piece for twelve radio receivers and music for an ensemble of metal percussive instruments, Cage made countless pieces of music based on the theory of ג€œchance music.ג€ In the score, Cage wrote silence in his music, however, he knew that at a live performance no such silence would occur. The sound in the performance venue becomes the music. He even wrote his most famous piece based on this theory, 4ג€™33ג€, a 4 minute 33 second song divided into 3 movements of written silence. Not a single note.

These facts about these two men are essential to understanding this live performance. Without this information, the 45 minute performance seems terribly odd and zany. Sun Raג€™s spastic, heavy synthesizer matched with Cageג€™s minimalist, sparse vocal noises seem all too much for a stable, sane human mind. On this recording, there are literally minutes of absolutely no music going on at the time. Cage showcases his ג€œchance musicג€ theory on this live recording, and the crowd apparently knows his ideas well. However, the recording quality diminishes from the chance music theory. Either the crowd kept incredibly silent or the recording did not pick up the sounds coming from the crowd. Overall, the recording quality of the performance is quite poor, often sounding like an old 50s movie.

Due to variety and musicality, Sun Ra heavily defeats John Cage on the performance. He opens the concert with a huge, furious, dissonant keyboard performance. The crowd cheers wildly and the spacey synthesizer sounds jump all around the range of the instrument and jump around in styles just as quickly. Elements of jazz flow in and suddenly a huge, orchestral sounding chord will overpower the recording instrument. The synth voices change frequently from a typical square lead voice to a bell sound to a synthesized voice. Sun Ra uses his range of voices perfectly, creating a heavy, metallic sound at some points which makes an even more frenzied sound to the already insane harmonic structure. He manages to jump from the most beautiful chords to the most dissonance in a matter of seconds. His first appearance goes on for 7 and a half minutes, garnering tumultuous applause from the audience. He later closes out the first half of the performance with a much more eastern tinged movement. Just when his playing couldnג€™t get any darker, he spends most of the second half making ambient, creepy noises. Much in the manner of the Mars Volta, he goes off without any sense of time or rhythm, creating whatever comes to mind. However, he lets the ambience slowly build into huge, crashing chords of either beauty or dissonance. Everything is going somewhere.

John Cage is just the opposite. His performance is much simpler. He merely steps up to a microphone and makes strange vocal noises. Cageג€™s voice sounds akin to an aging Johnny Cash. However, Cage never steps over saying more than 3 or 4 syllables at a time. He takes minute breaks before starting another few indistinguishable syllables. Of course, he relies on his ג€œchance musicג€ theory to get away with the minutes of silence. Sure, itג€™s a profound and intriguing idea, but it just gets old after a few minutes, especially when the recording buzzes in the background due to the quality. In truth, Cage is reciting excerpts from one of his poems in some strange language, known as Empty Words IV. However, who knows what he is saying? Luckily, Sun Ra saves the performance on the second half by filling in where Cage leaves silence. He fills with light, dainty keyboard lines way up high on the keys. He lets Cage have the show, not doing much of anything, but neither Cage still does less than Sun Ra. Cage proves a better composer and philosopher than a performer. Regardless, the crowd eats everything up, probably being mostly young, profound college kids themselves.

Knowing the stories and ideas of these two men, the performance of this album is almost the sonic equivalent of their lives. Sun Ra shows off his zany, spaced out mind. His music sounds like itג€™s from another planet, a royal proclamation from Saturn. Conversely, John Cage shows his independent, introspective self with his Empty Words IV literature and extended periods of silence. The two together form a compilation of some of the strangest, weirdest, and somehow profound music of all time. Both men being underappreciated and extremely important 20th century innovators, they never worry about fans or appeal like so many other artists. The two men show a love for music, ideas, and the profound relationship between them.

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"i can wreck the mic with silence by john cage with the arty flavor, i shoot the gift like a party favor" -mc paul barman

you have any other sun ra shit to upload?

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I have everything that sun ra released & unreleased stuff of course.
are you looking for anything in particular?

btw, john cage about silence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcH

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V/A - Corbett vs. Dempsey: Eye & Ear

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1. Michael Snow & Pee Wee Russell - Jada (3:50)
2. Peter Brotzman, Han Bennink - Take 5 (6:19)
3. Sun Ra - I Don't Believe In Love (1:59)
4. Dave Coleman & Friends - Dickie's Dream (3:16)
5. Sebi Tramontana & Lou Mallozzi - #2 (7:17)
6. Mark Booth - November (5:12)
7. HAL Rammel - Weave & Daze (21:29)

[quote]"In late 2004 the Corbett vs. Dempsey gallery hosted Eye & Ear, an exhibit that was showing the works of musicians who are also visual artists; this album, which was originally available during the show as a CD-R, features seven tracks by various participants.

The album starts strong with a pair of jazz duos. ג€œJadaג€ is a crackly acetate of a 1950 performance by the incomparable clarinetist Pee Wee Russell and pianist Michael Snow (a painter and an experimental filmmaker, respectively). Snowג€™s ivory-tinkling is rather late night, but Russellג€™s blowing is beyond ingratiating. Then comes the 2004 reunion of Peter Br

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safe john cage is da gawd

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I'm intrigued.

Thanks.

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some vids with john cage:

John Cage and Raashan Roland Kirk - Sound??.avi (1966)

Although Rahsaan Roland Kirk and John Cage never actually meet in this film (Cage's enigmatic questions about sound are intercut with some of Kirk's more ambitious experiments with it) these two very different musical iconoclasts share a similar vision of the boundless possibilities of music. Kirk plays three saxes at once, switches to flute, incorporates tapes of birds played backwards, and finally hands out whistles to his audience and encourages them to accompany him, "in the key of W, if you please." Cage, on the other hand, is preparing a work for musical bicycle with David Tudor and Merce Cunningham at the Seville Theatre in London. Cage meets Rahsaan's music in an echo chamber, and he ends his search for the sound of silence in his favorite spot -- the anechoic chamber -- where it turns out to be the uproar of "your nervous system in operation." -- Martin Williams, JAZZ TIMES

For The Third Time.avi (1978)

John Cage speaks with Richard Kostelanetz about the techniques he used in "Writing Through Finnegans Wake" (1977) and "Writing for the Second Time Through Finnegans Wake" (1977).

Manhattan Cable Television / Produced at Center for Non-Broadcast Television at Automation House
1978
Artists Television Network
Soho Television

Four American Composers: John Cage.avi (1983)

From Four American Composers by Peter Greenaway

4"33".avi (2004)

On January 16, 2004, at the Barbican in London, the BBC Symphony Orchestra gave the UK's first orchestral performance of this work. The performance was broadcast live on BBC Radio 3, and one of the main challenges was that the station's emergency backup systems are designed to switch on whenever apparent silence (dead air) is detected. They had to be switched off for the sole purpose of this performance.

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anything by sun ra dealing with synthesizers or electronics would interest me...

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ok. it took me some time because there are so many, if you want, I could upload more,
he used electronics for his inter/outerspace sounds on soo many records. just let me know.

Sun Ra - Hidden Fire 1 (Saturn, 1988, LP)

Side A:
Sun Ra - Retrospect-This World Is Not (13:40)

Side B:
Sun Ra - Unidentified Improvisation (7:41)
Sun Ra - Unidentified Blues (13:45)
Sun Ra-syn, org, voc; Michael Ray-tp; poss. Ahmed Abdullah-tp; Tyrone Hill-tb; Marshall Allen-as; John Gilmore-ts; Danny Ray Thompson-bs; prob. Kenny Williams-bs; Eloe Omoe-as, bcl, contra-alto cl; James Jacson-bsn, Ancient Egyptian Infinity Drum; Billy Bang-vln; Owen Brown, Jr.-vln; June Tyson-vln, voc; Art Jenkins-voc incl. space voice; John Ore-b; poss. Luqman Ali-d; Buster Smith-d; poss. Pharaoh Abdullah-perc. Knitting Factory, New York, 1/29 and 31/88. [personnel rlc and Drusdow; thanks to Ralph Pleshar for a tape; location Drusdow]

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1. The Sun Ra Arkestra - Egypt Strut (6:42)
2. The Sun Ra Arkestra - Dawn (12:14)
3. The Sun Ra Arkestra - Watusa (18:51)
4. The Cairo Jazz Band - Ramadan (4:19)
5. Sala Ragab - Oriental Mood (4:48)
6. The Cairo Jazz Band - A Farewell Theme (10:02)
7. The Cairo Free Jazz Ensemble - Music For Angela Davis (13:00)
Credits: Artwork By [Design] - Lora Denis
Bassoon, Percussion, Drums [Egyptian Infinity] - James Jacson (tracks: 1 to 3)
Clarinet [Bass], Saxophone [Alto], Percussion - Eloe Omoe (tracks: 1 to 3)
Congas, Drums - Salah Ragab (tracks: 1 to 3)
Drums - Chris Henderson (5) (tracks: 1, 2) , Claude Broche (tracks: 1, 2) , Eric Walker (tracks: 1, 2)
Keyboards, Organ, Keyboards [Hohner Melodica] - Sun Ra (tracks: 1 to 3)
Mastered By [Remaster] - Mick Ritchie
Music By - Salah Ragab (tracks: 1, 2, 5, 6)
Photography - Hartmut Geerken
Producer - Leo Feigin
Producer [Original Lp] - Kostas Yiannoulopoulos
Saxophone [Alto, Baritone], Percussion - Danny Thompson* (tracks: 1 to 3)
Saxophone [Alto], Flute, Percussion, Kora - Marshall Allen (tracks: 1 to 3)
Saxophone [Tenor], Percussion - John Gilmore (tracks: 1 to 3)
Trombone - Tyrone Hill (tracks: 1, 2)
Notes: Tracks 1 & 2 recorded at El Nahar Studio, Cairo/Heliopolis, May 1983. Track 3 recorded at Il Capo Jazz Club, Cairo/Zamalek, January 13, 1984. Tracks 4 & 6 recorded between 1972 and 1974. Track 5 recorded 1974/75. Track 7 recorded at Nile Hall, Cairo, February 14, 1971.
Recording licensed from Praxis. Released with two bonus tracks previously unissued ("Watusa" and "Music for Angela Davis").

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1. Sun Ra - Island In The Sun (5:27)
2. Sun Ra - The Invisible Shield (12:44)
3. Sun Ra - Janus (7:22)
4. Sun Ra - Velvet (7:26)
5. Sun Ra - Joy (9:17)
Notes: Compilation of rare material
drawn from tapes recorded between 1963 and 1970,
from both live and studio performances.

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1. Sun Ra - The Magic City (27:21)
2. Sun Ra - The Shadow World (10:53)
3. Sun Ra - Abstract Eye (2:46)
4. Sun Ra - Abstract ''I'' (4:07)
Credits: Arranged By, Composed By - Sun Ra
Artwork By - Don Bied
Bass - Ronnie Boykins
Clarinet [Bass] - Robert Cummings
Keyboards [Clavioline, Electronic Celeste], Piano, Marimba [Bass], Harp [Sun Harp], Percussion [Dragon Drum], Timpani - Sun Ra
Percussion - Jimmi Johnson* , Roger Blank
Photography - Francis Ing
Producer - Alton Abraham
Saxophone [Alto] - Harry Spencer
Saxophone [Alto], Flute - Danny Davis
Saxophone [Alto], Flute, Oboe, Piccolo Flute - Marshall Allen
Saxophone [Baritone] , Flute, Timpani - Pat Patrick
Saxophone [Tenor] - John Gilmore
Trombone - Ali Hassan , Bernard Pettaway , Teddy Nance
Trumpet - Chris Capers , Walter Miller
Notes: Previously released on El Saturn in 1966.

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1. Sun Ra - Sun-Earth Rock (4:40)
2. Sun Ra - The All of Everything (4:23)
3. Sun Ra - Impromptu Festival (4:05)
4. Sun Ra - Blue Soul (3:48)
5. Sun Ra - Narrative (2:57)
6. Sun Ra - Outside the Time Zone (5:00)
7. Sun Ra - The Night of the Purple Moon (3:45)
8. Sun Ra - A Bird's Eye View of Man's World (3:06)
9. Sun Ra - 21st Century Romance (4:08)
10. Sun Ra - Dance of the Living Image (4:32)
11. Sun Ra - Love in Outer Space (3:44)
Credits: Bass [Electric] - Stafford James
Harpsichord [Roksichord], Synthesizer [Moog], Piano [Wurlitzer Electric] - Sun Ra
Reissue Producer - Adam Abraham , John Corbett
Saxophone [Alto], Clarinet [Alto], Drums, Percussion [Bongos], Flute - Danny Davis
Saxophone [Tenor], Percussion - John Gilmore
Notes: Recorded at Variety Recordings Studio, New York, 1970.
Home recordings made in New York, 1964.
The Night Of The Purple Moon was was originally issued on El Saturn Research in 1972 and concurrently on Thoth Intergalactic.
Tracks 13-15 are previously unissued.
Remastered at Experimental Sound Studio, Chicago.

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1. Sun Ra - Disco 3000 (26:09)
2. Sun Ra - Third Planet (5:25)
3. Sun Ra - Friendly Galaxy (2:17)
4. Sun Ra - Dance of the Cosmo-Aliens (11:03)
Genre: Electronic, Jazz
Style: Free Jazz, Space-Age
Credits: Drums, Vocals - Luqman Ali
Piano, Organ, Synthesizer, Drum Programming [Rhythm Machine] - Sun Ra
Saxophone [Tenor], Drums, Vocals - John Gilmore
Trumpet, Vocals - Michael Ray
Notes: The magic music from one night in the Teatro Cilak, on 23/01/1978 in Milan.

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1. Sun Ra - Astro Black (10:31)
2. Sun Ra - Discipline 99 (4:33)
3. Sun Ra - Hidden Spheres (6:45)
4. Sun Ra - The cosmo-fire (part one) (6:40)
5. Sun Ra - The cosmo-fire (part two) (6:50)
6. Sun Ra - The cosmo-fire (part three) (4:09)
Credits: Arranged By, Composed By - Sun Ra
Bass - Ronnie Boykins
Clarinet [Bass] - Eloe Omoe
Clarinet [Mistro] - Pat Patrick
Congas - Atakatun* , Chiea , Odun
Keyboards [Electronic], Synthesizer [Moog], Vibraphone [Electro] - Sun Ra
Mixed By - Baker Bigsby
Percussion - Tommy Hunter
Producer - Alton Abraham , Ed Michel
Saxophone [Alto] - Danny Davis , Marshall Allen
Saxophone [Baritone] - Danny Thompson*
Saxophone [Tenor], Percussion - John Gilmore
Trombone - Charles Stephens
Trumpet - Akh Tal Ebah , Lamont McClamb
Violin, Viola - Alzo Wright
Vocals [Word-melody] - June Tyson
Voice [Space Ethnic] - Ruth Wright
Notes: Recorded at El Saturn Studio, Chicago, Illinois, May 7, 1972.

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thank you that's a good start...

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props on this :cheers:
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