Masta Ace & MF Doom Collabo Album

[arson_daily]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

yeah, i know the background story. i don't care if his dad raped him, being a super hero as a rapper is a gimmick. especially when he used to rap like a real rapper. but if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected as him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for 35 though.

[arson_daily]

^Dude, quit stealing KITFUNK's retard shine. Let the boy cook.

i dunno who that is but i did 12 years in special ed so i'll act how i was raised son.

[Echo Leader]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected by him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for 35 though.

OK, so by this line of thought Doom is hustling us nerdy crackas because he has a lazy flow?

[arson_daily]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected by him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for 35 though.

OK, so by this line of thought Doom is hustling us nerdy crackas because he has a lazy flow?

i edited my post, i left something out before. but the lazy flow is definitely part of it. the supervillain persona. this dude sendin fuckin imposters to do shows. this man is a hustler if i ever knew one. i respect it, he's makin dough, i just don't see how people fall into it so easily.

edit: also, i don't really like his beats. not just the sound quality, but really the samples that he uses. they're boring. everything about him bores me but his lyrics, and i gotta say, even some of those bore me.

special herbs ain't even .7s, dude sellin .3s for 20 with that shit.

[Echo Leader]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected by him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for 35 though.

OK, so by this line of thought Doom is hustling us nerdy crackas because he has a lazy flow?

i edited my post, i left something out before. but the lazy flow is definitely part of it. the supervillain persona. this dude sendin fuckin imposters to do shows. this man is a hustler if i ever knew one. i respect it, he's makin dough, i just don't see how people fall into it so easily.

The lazy flow is part of the appeal for me. Doom's writing is downright labyrinthine sometimes, there are songs that take multiple listens to decipher. If he was rapping like Tech9 then it would lose all appeal entirely.

Like COOLEH has said though (regarding the impostors and all of the bullshit that Doom has pulled over recently) something else has been going on with Doom for the past few years...drug/alcohol addiction, creative atrophy, whatever the case is the fact remains that 2011 Doom <<<<<< 1999-2004 Doom.

However, there's no way you can judge the man's entire output based on everything ONLY post-"The Mouse & The Mask."

[arson_daily]

Yeah Doom really pulled a fast one on everybody when he dropped 2 classics and 2 really fucking dope albums in about 5 years. Hustled us crackers for sure.

yo i got .7s all day for you bruh it's that willy wonka space flip kush holla @ me

[arson_daily]

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?
Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected by him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for 35 though.

OK, so by this line of thought Doom is hustling us nerdy crackas because he has a lazy flow?

i edited my post, i left something out before. but the lazy flow is definitely part of it. the supervillain persona. this dude sendin fuckin imposters to do shows. this man is a hustler if i ever knew one. i respect it, he's makin dough, i just don't see how people fall into it so easily.

The lazy flow is part of the appeal for me. Doom's writing is downright labyrinthine sometimes, there are songs that take multiple listens to decipher. If he was rapping like Tech9 then it would lose all appeal entirely.

Like COOLEH has said though (regarding the impostors and all of the bullshit that Doom has pulled over recently) something else has been going on with Doom for the past few years...drug/alcohol addiction, creative atrophy, whatever the case is the fact remains that 2011 Doom <<<<<< 1999-2004 Doom.

However, there's no way you can judge the man's entire output based on everything ONLY post-"The Mouse & The Mask."

all his fans tell me the lazy shit is appealing. i don't get it. i don't want him to rap like tech n9ne. i want him to rap like he wants to rap... not like it's a fuckin job. i don't judge doom from his post cartoon network career cause i never listened to that half of it, i listened to everything from mm food and back. i've tried listening to him and understanding the love for him for almost 10 years now. i don't feel satisfied with the product.

[COOLEHMAGAZINE]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

yeah, i know the background story. i don't care if his dad raped him, being a super hero as a rapper is a gimmick. especially when he used to rap like a real rapper. but if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected as him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for 35 though.

Critical thinking fail.

How exactly does making critically acclaimed music that people like equate to the same thing as shorting people on bags of weed? Are the people who buy his records expecting them to consist of Eminem-style yelling raps over Alchemist beats? Or are they expecting MF DOOM to rap in his style over the odd beats that he tends to go for? In order for this to make sense, the people buying DOOM's records would have to have been expecting something different from what they got. Please explain. Do not attempt to use imposters as an example since that didn't start until his career was already heading downhill, and long after his best work.

When you say you do not buy 20 bags anymore, what does this mean. The solution to getting skimpy bags of weed is not to buy weed anymore? If so, that really says it all about your intellectual capabilities. If instead your answer is that you now buy 1/8's, how do you know that they weigh 3.5 grams?

DOOM does not rap as a super hero.

How do real rappers rap? What is the limit of creative license that a rapper can take without forsaking his "realness"?

What if other enjoy like DOOM's flow? Are they still being hustled or do we all have to be fans of Busta Rhymes and DMX?

Actually, don't answer any of that. You either have not thought through anything that you are talking about or you are a fool. Whichever it is, I don't care anymore.

[Blockhead]

You're entitled to not like Doom. That's fine. But these conspiracy theories about his musical intentions are mind numbing.

[Echo Leader]

Nevermind.

[COOLEHMAGAZINE]

You're entitled to not like Doom. That's fine. But these conspiracy theories about his musical intentions are mind numbing.

Nahmean? And his attempts at justifying his own statements are just depressingly idiotic. Instead all he needed to say was "I don't like DOOM's flow"

What the fuck do they have kids doing in school nowadays? We losing recipes

[Thun]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

yeah, i know the background story. i don't care if his dad raped him, being a super hero as a rapper is a gimmick. especially when he used to rap like a real rapper. but if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected as him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for x35 though.

Critical thinking fail.

How exactly does making critically acclaimed music that people like equate to the same thing as shorting people on bags of weed? Are the people who buy his records expecting them to consist of Eminem-style yelling raps over Alchemist beats? Or are they expecting MF DOOM to rap in his style over the odd beats that he tends to go for? In order for this to make sense, the people buying DOOM's records would have to have been expecting something different from what they got. Please explain. Do not attempt to use imposters as an example since that didn't start until his career was already heading downhill, and long after his best work.

When you say you do not buy 20 bags anymore, what does this mean. The solution to getting skimpy bags of weed is not to buy weed anymore? If so, that really says it all about your intellectual capabilities. If instead your answer is that you now buy 1/8's, how do you know that they weigh 3.5 grams?

DOOM does not rap as a super hero.

How do real rappers rap? What is the limit of creative license that a rapper can take without forsaking his "realness"?

What if other enjoy like DOOM's flow? Are they still being hustled or do we all have to be fans of Busta Rhymes and DMX?

Actually, don't answer any of that. You either have not thought through anything that you are talking about or you are a fool. Whichever it is, I don't care anymore.

[arson_daily]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

yeah, i know the background story. i don't care if his dad raped him, being a super hero as a rapper is a gimmick. especially when he used to rap like a real rapper. but if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected as him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for 35 though.

Critical thinking fail.

How exactly does making critically acclaimed music that people like equate to the same thing as shorting people on bags of weed? Are the people who buy his records expecting them to consist of Eminem-style yelling raps over Alchemist beats? Or are they expecting MF DOOM to rap in his style over the odd beats that he tends to go for? In order for this to make sense, the people buying DOOM's records would have to have been expecting something different from what they got. Please explain. Do not attempt to use imposters as an example since that didn't start until his career was already heading downhill, and long after his best work.

When you say you do not buy 20 bags anymore, what does this mean. The solution to getting skimpy bags of weed is not to buy weed anymore? If so, that really says it all about your intellectual capabilities. If instead your answer is that you now buy 1/8's, how do you know that they weigh 3.5 grams?

DOOM does not rap as a super hero.

How do real rappers rap? What is the limit of creative license that a rapper can take without forsaking his "realness"?

What if other enjoy like DOOM's flow? Are they still being hustled or do we all have to be fans of Busta Rhymes and DMX?

Actually, don't answer any of that. You either have not thought through anything that you are talking about or you are a fool. Whichever it is, I don't care anymore.

if you always got .7s and you don't know you're getting .7s, then you expect .7s. i know how this game works. i think you're not understanding my metaphor. it's not the weed is bad, it's that you're losing .3. in the rap's case, the .3 happens to be urgency.

i didn't say i don't buy weed. i said i don't buy 20 bags. cause i try not to get hustled. as far as the 8th thing goes, i don't buy those either, but if i did, watch him weigh it out in front of you. you're comparing the metaphor too literally. it was supposed to be more funny than anything else.

obviously i meant super villain. high off that .7.

just go listen to KMD compared to mf doom. you probably already know what i mean and you're just reaching.

actually i think you are, but hey, if you're satisfied then you're satisfied.

sorry i dissed your favorite rapper man. stop making fun of me. you're obviously not upset that you realized the milk was sour.

[arson_daily]

You're entitled to not like Doom. That's fine. But these conspiracy theories about his musical intentions are mind numbing.

what conspiracy? him and his persona teaming up? it's not a conspiracy theory. you tell me rap isn't an art born from hustling and i'll show you a person who gets hustled a lot.

[arson_daily]

yeah, cause it's totally implausible that mf doom is hustling his nerdy, white fanbase.

LOL. That's a very generic statment to make. It could be argued that every musician ever hustles their fanbase by pandering to them. If that's the case, why do you even bother listening to music?

for the record, if mf doom WASN'T a gimmick, he'd probably still be zev love x.

Nah...if Subroc hadn't been hit by a car Doom would probably still be Zev Luv X. He turned his emceeing into a cathartic exercise to help cope with a shitty hand of cards he'd been dealt by life. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Operation: Doomsday?

Oh, that's right, probably not because then you'd be one of the poor sheeple that got hustled.

The fact of the matter is, before Doom went off the deep end a few years ago he was untouchable as far as work ethic and quality of said work is concerned. Only when bedroom producers started making shitty cut-n-paste albums and Doom started rapping like a cartoon character did the quality suffer.

actually, i do think a lot of rappers are hustling people, whether they know it or not. but i think most do know it as well. rap's a fuckin hustle just like anything else. some people sell you .7s while the other ones are givin you grams. i haven't bought a 20 bag in forever. i try my best not to get hustled.

yeah, i know the background story. i don't care if his dad raped him, being a super hero as a rapper is a gimmick. especially when he used to rap like a real rapper. but if you read what i said in this thread you would know i've listened to almost all of doom's catalogue and have actually enjoyed a very small amount of it. i actually think doom is a great lyricist. i just happen to be one of those people who thinks rapping consists of lyrics AND sounding good at the same time. and unfortunately for doom, he raps like he's comin down from a bellringer. he has the laziest flow i ever heard by a person who is as respected as him.

i'm sure he'll do two .7s for x35 though.

Critical thinking fail.

How exactly does making critically acclaimed music that people like equate to the same thing as shorting people on bags of weed? Are the people who buy his records expecting them to consist of Eminem-style yelling raps over Alchemist beats? Or are they expecting MF DOOM to rap in his style over the odd beats that he tends to go for? In order for this to make sense, the people buying DOOM's records would have to have been expecting something different from what they got. Please explain. Do not attempt to use imposters as an example since that didn't start until his career was already heading downhill, and long after his best work.

When you say you do not buy 20 bags anymore, what does this mean. The solution to getting skimpy bags of weed is not to buy weed anymore? If so, that really says it all about your intellectual capabilities. If instead your answer is that you now buy 1/8's, how do you know that they weigh 3.5 grams?

DOOM does not rap as a super hero.

How do real rappers rap? What is the limit of creative license that a rapper can take without forsaking his "realness"?

What if other enjoy like DOOM's flow? Are they still being hustled or do we all have to be fans of Busta Rhymes and DMX?

Actually, don't answer any of that. You either have not thought through anything that you are talking about or you are a fool. Whichever it is, I don't care anymore.

for reasons i think doom is hustlin nerds, see how salty that guy gets i'm arguing with when doom isn't appreciated for reference.

[arson_daily]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaxe1cJh0h8

if doom rapped like this on every album i wouldn't think you guys were getting hustled.

[ardamus]

DOOM is dope. Lazy right now in terms of work ethic IMO but the nigga hustled, in a good way, the hell out of the indie rap game. His lazy flow with funny punchlines works with the persona he crafted. I agree with Blockhead, don't have to like him but for real.......conspiracy theories about DOOM?

[COOLEHMAGAZINE]

No, but seriously, what sort of world are we living in where people cannot even critically assess their own thoughts. If not before speaking, hopefully after.

Nope, just keep on going, advocating a position that makes absolutely no sense and bolstering it with flawed analogies and failed attempts at humor.

All to avoid a minor mea culpa and just saying "Maybe it's just me, but I don't really like DOOM's flow and lack of urgency on the mic"

Instead we are all getting hustled because what we really want is for DOOM to rap like the KMD days, we just don't realize it and instead we are listening because we think he is a superhero and have lost sight of real rap.

For some reason, actual old school artists who are DOOM's peers and predecessors like De La Soul, Nas and MF Grimm somehow have also been hustled. Good thing arson daily is there to let them know that real rap can be weighed on a digi scale.

RECIPES IS LOST BEHIND THIS TYPE OF FOOLISHNESS

[arson_daily]

No, but seriously, what sort of world are we living in where people cannot even critically assess their own thoughts. If not before speaking, hopefully after.

Nope, just keep on going, advocating a position that makes absolutely no sense and bolstering it with flawed analogies and failed attempts at humor.

All to avoid a minor mea culpa and just saying "Maybe it's just me, but I don't really like DOOM's flow and lack of urgency on the mic"

Instead we are all getting hustled because what we really want is for DOOM to rap like the KMD days, we just don't realize it and instead we are listening because we think he is a superhero and have lost sight of real rap.

For some reason, actual old school artists who are DOOM's peers and predecessors like De La Soul, Nas and MF Grimm somehow have also been hustled. Good thing arson daily is there to let them know that real rap can be weighed on a digi scale.

RECIPES IS LOST BEHIND THIS TYPE OF FOOLISHNESS

hey, it's not my fault you can't see past the wool homie. can you name one verse doom ever went in on? can you even name one verse doom ever did that sounded as good as anything as he did when he was zev? it's a shame you really are in denial so much. but yo for real, i got those .7s of skullsmash sour 17.

[Thun]

Why do people think that MF Doom's "lazy flow" is literally lazy? As if it could be accurately imitated or even bested by anyone who raps in a less precise manner than Percee P?

It's an idiosyncratic, technically difficult style, just like any of his others. It is controlled and intentional. It may not be your cup of tea, but even a cursory listening will reveal that effort and forethought are not absent. In fact, it is probably very difficult to avoid the more obvious schemes and set-ups and still come off as well as Doom does. And he does do his thing, in the ears of those who are okay with a little subtlety. His KMD rapping proves that he can tackle more traditional styles, so why wouldn't he move on to something more experimental and unexpected as his focus and life situation changed? There is plenty of urgency in his post-KMD music, it just isn't telegraphed. Maybe he thought his listeners matured with him.

[Thun]

No, but seriously, what sort of world are we living in where people cannot even critically assess their own thoughts. If not before speaking, hopefully after.

Nope, just keep on going, advocating a position that makes absolutely no sense and bolstering it with flawed analogies and failed attempts at humor.

All to avoid a minor mea culpa and just saying "Maybe it's just me, but I don't really like DOOM's flow and lack of urgency on the mic"

Instead we are all getting hustled because what we really want is for DOOM to rap like the KMD days, we just don't realize it and instead we are listening because we think he is a superhero and have lost sight of real rap.

For some reason, actual old school artists who are DOOM's peers and predecessors like De La Soul, Nas and MF Grimm somehow have also been hustled. Good thing arson daily is there to let them know that real rap can be weighed on a digi scale.

RECIPES IS LOST BEHIND THIS TYPE OF FOOLISHNESS

hey, it's not my fault you can't see past the wool homie. can you name one verse doom ever went in on? can you even name one verse doom ever did that sounded as good as anything as he did when he was zev? it's a shame you really are in denial so much. but yo for real, i got those .7s of skullsmash sour 17.

At this point you're just trolling. We get it, you don't like Doom post-KMD.

[DLG]

doom's lazy flow provides most of the charm. if you don't think he's "going in" because he's not yelling or he doesn't flow sharply like Big L or something like that, then you've completely missed the point.

While almost everyone can replicate a rapper that "flows hard" like you say, and lands all his syllables exactly on the down beat, very little people would be able to flow so wobbly and in the pocket as doom does. He raps like that intentionally and with great results.

thun jumped in and said basically the same thing.

[arson_daily]

that shit sounds like he's reading it off the paper after smoking crack. it does not sound formulaic at all.

[COOLEHMAGAZINE]

On the one hand, I am tempted to entertain this further so that I can gain some insight into what sort of narcissistic delusions drive you. To inquire how you can be so certain that your assessment is correct, despite the weight of everything from respected artists, reviewers and general opinion, on the other side. to discover why you are unable to back down from your ridiculous claims and just say "I'm not feeling his flow but obviously other people are, to each their own"

Are you too stubborn or are you actually this steadfastly myopic? Do you even listen to other people or are you just lost in a world of contradictory thoughts and self-righteous defensiveness?

Is it really possible that accomplished artists as varied as Dangermouse, Madlib, De La Soul, Mos Def, Thom Yorke, MF Grimm, Bumpy Knuckles, Nas and Slug are all just fooled by his "superhero gimmick"...

Is that really a more likely explanation than that perhaps some people genuinely enjoy his music, and his delivery is either an asset or does not bother them? Do you really think that De La Soul never heard him rap as Zev Luv X?


On the other hand, after reading your posts on the subject thus far, I am pretty sure that in the end I will find your head is simply an empty gourd, perhaps with some leftover blunt wrappers and one or two empty jewel cases rattling around in it.

As such, there really is no point continuing the conversation.

[mike eagle]

ONLY RAPPING THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS WROTE LIKE THIS IS COOL.

[arson_daily]

On the one hand, I am tempted to entertain this further so that I can gain some insight into what sort of narcissistic delusions drive you. To inquire how you can be so certain that your assessment is correct, despite the weight of everything from respected artists, reviewers and general opinion, on the other side. to discover why you are unable to back down from your ridiculous claims and just say "I'm not feeling his flow but obviously other people are, to each their own"

Are you too stubborn or are you actually this steadfastly myopic? Do you even listen to other people or are you just lost in a world of contradictory thoughts and self-righteous defensiveness?

Is it really possible that accomplished artists as varied as Dangermouse, Madlib, De La Soul, Mos Def, Thom Yorke, MF Grimm, Bumpy Knuckles, Nas and Slug are all just fooled by his "superhero gimmick"...

Is that really a more likely explanation than that perhaps some people genuinely enjoy his music, and his delivery is either an asset or does not bother them? Do you really think that De La Soul never heard him rap as Zev Luv X?


On the other hand, after reading your posts on the subject thus far, I am pretty sure that in the end I will find your head is simply an empty gourd, perhaps with some leftover blunt wrappers and one or two empty jewel cases rattling around in it.

As such, there really is no point continuing the conversation.

no one is fooled by his super hero gimmick. he's fooling them into thinking he's a good rapper, when he's really just a good lyricist. i honestly can't believe so many people give this guy's delivery a pass and say it works for him. no it doesn't. he sounds like all the crackheads/dopeheads/methadone patients i know who rap.

[arson_daily]

by the way, what college did you go to? they must have taught you a lot about hip-hop there.

[Kid That's Lifeless]

Yeah Doom really pulled a fast one on everybody when he dropped 2 classics and 2 really fucking dope albums in about 5 years. Hustled us crackers for sure.

yo i got .7s all day for you bruh it's that willy wonka space flip kush holla @ me

yeah? Well jokes on you, I don't know what this means

[Thun]

http://flavors.me/boozelini

Wow. Now it all makes sense.

[Blockhead]

Just for shits and giggles
MF Doom>Zev love X

Thoughts?