Philaflava wrote:The Ecstatic is not arguably as good on any planet. DPB!
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Philaflava wrote:The Ecstatic is not arguably as good on any planet. DPB!
Go for it. We need some stimulation in this forum. PS you know me too well.B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:you're missing the main point anyway. You want to talk about "curses?"
Let's look at Bad Boy's roster over the last 20 years, or Death Row's, or Roc-A-Fella's post Jay, etc.
Philaflava wrote:BOBS is def better and there shouldn't be an argument unless you're being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.
Philaflava wrote:The same album that has an out of place Slick Rick verse about some fucking faggot kid in Afghanistan? It's a decent album and the production was nice (thanks Jackson bros) but Life in Marvelous Times might be the pinnacle of it.
Besides the anthem Fat Booty, what is fucking with Hip Hop, Mathematics or Mr Nigga? BOBS is def better and there shouldn't be an argument unless you're being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.
Philaflava wrote:you use the word dope loosely as if an album has 4 dope songs its automatically amazing. production was nice and compared to his two previous duds it was a breath of fresh air. still, i think his debut is significantly better overall including the filler.
those "dope" songs you mentioned are cool. it was an improvement but that auditorium was the worst collabos i've ever heard by two legitimate great emcees.
Greater success, lesser quality?ackbar wrote:i guess you're talking about "taste"..
but mos def, el-p, talib kweli all went on to greater success after that era you're talking about.
I've never really cared for Kweli. Of all the early Rawkus material, his releases tended to be my least favourite. Even that 'Fortified Live' / '2000 Seasons' 12" didn't do much for me aside from Mos Def's appearance.ackbar wrote:i like kweli's first solo record more than blackstar (tho it's still on rawkus). a case can be made for the def jux stuff over co flow as well
Maybe he has, but for me, nothing I've heard since has superseded the quality of his Rawkus album (and even that album didn't really bang like I'd hoped).the dead poet wrote:Monch has put out quality music since rawkus. I will hear no arguments saying otherwise.
the dead poet wrote:Monch has put out quality music since rawkus. I will hear no arguments saying otherwise.
Well, movies and odd name change aside, Ecstatic was that album where you were like "ok, Mos got it right this time". I just remember hearing New Danger and being very underwhelmed by it. True Magic was better but, the very fact the sound quality came off as a demo in comparison to the sound quality of the his previous albums was bad. Ecstatic just kind of brought it back to what I think fans were waiting to get from Mos. So I have to agree with COOLEH, it'll be an album that will stand the test of time.Philaflava wrote:i agree it probably will hold up better and there was progression for sure. but just because something doesn't age well doesn't mean it's not a better piece of work (overall). truthfully after he got man handled by Hitchens I couldn't even listen to Mos the same. forget his horrible movies or atrocious albums after BOBS.
In comparison, he honestly was the most consistent solo artist when it came to projects. Don't give a fuck what this board says (because there's been complaints about his shit after Organized Konfusion and Internal Affairs), he's been able to pick better production and craft better songs than a good portion of the Rawkus roster afterwards. Mos and Talib are the same except for output which Talib has had more of; they both have chosen some questionable production in a project or two.Ned Ryerson wrote:the dead poet wrote:Monch has put out quality music since rawkus. I will hear no arguments saying otherwise.
ardamus wrote:Well, movies and odd name change aside, Ecstatic was that album where you were like "ok, Mos got it right this time". I just remember hearing New Danger and being very underwhelmed by it. True Magic was better but, the very fact the sound quality came off as a demo in comparison to the sound quality of the his previous albums was bad. Ecstatic just kind of brought it back to what I think fans were waiting to get from Mos. So I have to agree with COOLEH, it'll be an album that will stand the test of time.Philaflava wrote:i agree it probably will hold up better and there was progression for sure. but just because something doesn't age well doesn't mean it's not a better piece of work (overall). truthfully after he got man handled by Hitchens I couldn't even listen to Mos the same. forget his horrible movies or atrocious albums after BOBS.
Yes. There 12" catalogue from 1997 - 1999 is the reason they had the reputation they had. They were primarily a 12" based company.The Afronaut wrote:
Also, did Rawkus have a decent 12" catalog, or am I somehow blending them with Fondle Em in my mind?
Philaflava wrote:ardamus wrote:Well, movies and odd name change aside, Ecstatic was that album where you were like "ok, Mos got it right this time". I just remember hearing New Danger and being very underwhelmed by it. True Magic was better but, the very fact the sound quality came off as a demo in comparison to the sound quality of the his previous albums was bad. Ecstatic just kind of brought it back to what I think fans were waiting to get from Mos. So I have to agree with COOLEH, it'll be an album that will stand the test of time.Philaflava wrote:i agree it probably will hold up better and there was progression for sure. but just because something doesn't age well doesn't mean it's not a better piece of work (overall). truthfully after he got man handled by Hitchens I couldn't even listen to Mos the same. forget his horrible movies or atrocious albums after BOBS.
Ecstatic was like, oh finally a glimpse of what Mos is capable of. It's like when Nas made Stillmatic and we all were like "YES one step closer to Illmatic."
Philaflava wrote:Stillmatic wasn't anywhere close to Illmatic, the point was he was finally headed in the right direction.
Talib Kweli Admits To Being Slapped By A Woman On Hot 97
SEVERAL weeks ago a rumor about Talib Kweli being slapped by a woman at a 50 Cent party made its way around the industry. Not only did the rumor say he got his jaw tapped, but then he went into a private room at 50’s house and cried. Well, Kweli went on Hot 97’s Miss Jones in the morning to set the record straight.
“I was at 50’s house and I got to an argument with my girl,” Talib told Jones. “It got physical. Ain’t nobody go into a room was crying. But ya know, I’m a passionate dude and sometimes women get passionate. So you know, she got out of pocket and she got checked. It was an ugly situation for both parties, it didn’t make either one of us look good, but I’m glad it’s over with.”
I think I like Desire more than than Internal Affairs. It took a minute to grow on me cause I went into it hoping for a bunch of songs like Rape. Internal Affairs has some great songs but Desire is way more cohesive. Doesn't seem fair to compare their careers post Rawkus though since Mos and Talib were just starting out on Rawkus where as Monch had been doing his thing for almost 10 years at that pointardamus wrote:In comparison, he honestly was the most consistent solo artist when it came to projects. Don't give a fuck what this board says (because there's been complaints about his shit after Organized Konfusion and Internal Affairs), he's been able to pick better production and craft better songs than a good portion of the Rawkus roster afterwards. Mos and Talib are the same except for output which Talib has had more of; they both have chosen some questionable production in a project or two.Ned Ryerson wrote:the dead poet wrote:Monch has put out quality music since rawkus. I will hear no arguments saying otherwise.