Canibus vs. Dizaster discussion
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the Canibus that showed up that day?mike eagle wrote:would you serve canibus in a battle?Mindbender Futurama wrote:agreed. but both of those guys are not rap rookies.mike eagle wrote:it takes preparing for more than three weeks for your first go round to pull that off. thats my entire pointMindbender Futurama wrote:sometimes, this is true, sometimes not.mike eagle wrote: some of that was freestyle
problem is, the quality level goes way down real fast if you're freestyling out of desperation. it basically opens the door to choking. its damn near impossible to end a round as strongly with a freestyle. especially for a dude battling in that style for the first time that only prepared three weeks
occasionally, one of these battle rapper's freestyle rebuttals will be 2 or 4 bars of absolute dynamite, that is more of a hard hitting line than some written set-up.
like Dizaster couldn't have known Canibus was going to wear an arm sling. So when he freestyled "you hit yourself in the chest so hard, your shoulders touched" and everyone was like , it was better than some other great lines he spit, like the one about Wyclef.
if you have prepared your battle mind, your vocabulary and your powers of observation enough, you can come up with a spontaneous rebuttal that's as strong as some of your writtens, and never have a moment of silence in your verse, whether you are freestyling or spitting writtens. but it takes ELEVATED SKILL.
you can see Dizaster at the end, choosing how he wanted to FINISH HIM.
and you can almost see his mind processing the infinite possibilities of the moment, like "what can I say about this vs. what did I plan to say about it? hmmmm... let's go with: I PUT CANIBUS IN A BOX AND LL COOL J IS A FAGGOT, just cause it's completely fun and games now"
Is it safe to assume Canibus has done, and won, a face to face battle, ever before? I hope it is.
so he should have known better.
I agree with you that cats should have lots of rap weapons in store for the moment though. like bars upon bars upon bars. you really shouldn't enter one of those battles without 15-20 minutes of rehearsed verses, or at least FOUR rounds of raps for whatever time limit you have arranged... and then some freestyle-like extra shit in your head, just in case.
I've been Canibus, I've been in that exact position. And I never prepared for ANY show more than I prepared for that battle. Which is why I didn't choke
Canibus is the ultimate human meme generator now, but it's starting with "daaamn homie. in high school, you was the maaan, homie. the fuck happened to you?!"
I humbly suggest that I could have, and maybe even would have, won. Watch my KOTD battle and see what I did vs. Canibus's KOTD battle and see what he did... and I genuinely think I would have won. But I mean, Bis basically choked in round one AND round two, which is a never forgive action in that arena.
YOU could have beat him too, and I don't even know you as a battle rapper, mike eagle.
Canibus smoked himself, is basically what I'm saying.
and as much as I love the dude, knew that he's a legend and was the best MC on the planet at one point in time... seeing his mindstate, his awareness of where modern hip hop is (battle rap and regular music), seeing his lyrical laws on paper, and seeing the simplicity he came with that night... it's pretty well confirmed that Canibus is not as much an "animal with a mechanical mandible comin to damage you spittin understandable slang at you" cause he's not exactly "the all seeing lyrical hammerhead sharp peripheral with 360 degree visual" like I knew him to be in 1997.
I love Canibus and still think he's a hip hop legend, without question.
But that might have been Mike Tyson's last fight right there.
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1 big single, a couple of notable guest verses and some decent mixtape freestyles do not make you a legend by any stretch of the imagination.Mindbender Futurama wrote:I love Canibus and still think he's a hip hop legend, without question.
By that definition Joe Budden, Lloyd Banks and Paula Perry also qualify for legendary status.
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He's only getting propped up as a "legend" so that people who give a crap about this scene can gloat about how they're better at this particular thing than somebody who people had heard of when they were kids and who is almost tangentially related to this scene as long as you don't think about it too much.Mindbender Futurama wrote:I love Canibus and still think he's a hip hop legend, without question.
He was paid to lose. That was the whole point. It's only noteworthy because -- as we all already knew -- he is deranged and crazy enough to actually care and not just take the paycheck.
It's like gloating that you godbodied a 55 year old Vernon Maxwell in Slamball.
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purposefully avoiding watching the video or even reading any description of what happened, just looking at the memes without any context is making me lol my ass off.
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couldn't watch more than 40-50 seconds of the video. did go read some message board threads on rapmusic about it
why do all the battle fans seem to be concerned first & foremost about "professionalism", how people rep the brand, what & what is not a "good look", squeaky clean image, etc. above everything else?? do the fans want/think kotd is going to be the next x-games? are they concerned about how much money the organizers are making?? do they only want predictable back/forth battles without any sort of real conflict? do they think rap is a sport or starcraft?? why do they like rap & are not on drugs / alcohol?
why do all the battle fans seem to be concerned first & foremost about "professionalism", how people rep the brand, what & what is not a "good look", squeaky clean image, etc. above everything else?? do the fans want/think kotd is going to be the next x-games? are they concerned about how much money the organizers are making?? do they only want predictable back/forth battles without any sort of real conflict? do they think rap is a sport or starcraft?? why do they like rap & are not on drugs / alcohol?
1) They want to get that money yo. Rap is a business and in business, brand identity is everything.ackbar wrote:why do all the battle fans seem to be concerned first & foremost about "professionalism", how people rep the brand, what & what is not a "good look", squeaky clean image, etc. above everything else?? do the fans want/think kotd is going to be the next x-games? are they concerned about how much money the organizers are making?? do they only want predictable back/forth battles without any sort of real conflict? do they think rap is a sport or starcraft?? why do they like rap & are not on drugs / alcohol?
2 ) Word, but with more street cred.
3) Yes, see #1.
4) Real conflict sounds kinda gay yo. Fuck that shit.
5) Some combination of the two plus jokes.
6) See all of the above. They are, just not enough.
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Although no one in this situation has the resources to and no lawyer would ever file a brief in Organik v. Canibus, that kind of shit is written into contracts all the time.PopeyeJones wrote:How? Why?Versive wrote:Also, I see a lawsuit for breach-of-contract on the horizon.
He showed up. He did it. He sucked. You can't write "we're not going to pay you if you're bad at this" into a contract.
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Toronto MC Theology 3 wrote this:admiral wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong:
This was an online rap pay-per-view that cost $30 to order?
67000 pay per view buys at 30 dollars a piece, almost 3000 people at 70 a piece at the door. CAKE.
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67,000 x $30 = $2,010,000Mindbender Futurama wrote:Toronto MC Theology 3 wrote this:admiral wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong:
This was an online rap pay-per-view that cost $30 to order?
67000 pay per view buys at 30 dollars a piece, almost 3000 people at 70 a piece at the door. CAKE.
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3,000 x $70 = $210,000
This battle generated $2.22 million???
This has got to be a joke...
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this is bullshit, like when the dudes from SARS tried to front like they'd sold over 50k copies of their mixtape. Of course Theology 3 ate it up, dude is the epitome of gullible.Mindbender Futurama wrote:Toronto MC Theology 3 wrote this:admiral wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong:
This was an online rap pay-per-view that cost $30 to order?
67000 pay per view buys at 30 dollars a piece, almost 3000 people at 70 a piece at the door. CAKE.
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How? Unsuccesssfully.PopeyeJones wrote:How? Why?Versive wrote:Also, I see a lawsuit for breach-of-contract on the horizon.
He showed up. He did it. He sucked. You can't write "we're not going to pay you if you're bad at this" into a contract.
Why? Because although "any press is good press," the fact that the Wrestlemania-style mega-event they promoted for half a year ended so awkwardly is not a good look. See Organik's face.
Assuming they maintain the same degree of professionalism all across the board, from video production to contract drafting, I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that their contracts define verses somewhere along the lines of "recited from memory and/or improvised, not read aloud." Actually I'd be kind of surprised, but not shocked.
It probably won't happen. It just seems like something that isn't out of the realm of possibility.
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